AZ to Drop CCW Permit Requirement
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Wildalaska
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Make me Benevolent Omnipotent Deity and no one shall ignore you again. Ever. I will make sure.
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JustDreadful
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Not exactly. You're guessing, based on your personal prejudices. Others are making a prediction based on historical evidence, to wit the lack of mayhem that ensued following the passage of "shall issue" in states that contain Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix, Miami, Jacksonville... Large cities, not without crime problems, but almost wholly without crime problems related to the carry of firearms by the law-abiding.
And again, you have no moral right to decide who may defend themselves, and who must remain at the mercy of criminal attackers.
I read alot here about imminent dangers(like National Park carry, Starbucks, or laws changing due to Heller and the like....and soon in VA restaurant carry, gun show or private unregistered sales....).
Do any of these things ever play out like the anti-gun crowd says they will, or can I assume that if they say something will happen....chances are that it definately won't happen on any large scale?
Do any of these things ever play out like the anti-gun crowd says they will, or can I assume that if they say something will happen....chances are that it definately won't happen on any large scale?
RDak said:
It is my understanding, from the Arizonians posting here, that the bill simply does away with the requirement for a permit, but does not do away with the permit itself - like Alaska. However, if Arizona does not offer a permit any longer, than a person would have to get a non-resident license from a state like Utah or Florida to at least be able to carry in some states that honor their non-resident permits.
Personally, I think it is a smart move to keep the permit as an option - it will still bring revenue into the state, it will provide exemption to the 1000' Federal school zone rule, and, your point of allowing carry in some other states.
armoredman
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Yes, the permit will still be an option, just not neccesary. It will be required if you want to legally carry in a resteraunt that serves open alcohol, by state law, (permitee cannot consume), to get reciprocity, ( we recognize all state permits now, IIRC), and to eliminate the Brady check during firearm pruchase from an FFL, which takes about 5-10 minutes, max.
azleg.gov doesn't show any floor calenders yet for the week...odd.
Thanks, antipitas, appreciate the backup.
azleg.gov doesn't show any floor calenders yet for the week...odd.
Thanks, antipitas, appreciate the backup.
Conn. Trooper
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And again, you have no moral right to decide who may defend themselves, and who must remain at the mercy of criminal attackers.
Nor do I want to. I don't see it as removing a right by requiring training. Maybe you do, but I don't.
Can it be used to "weed out" people who can't afford the training? Yes, possible. Is it now? No. My wife took her NRA class for 75 bucks. Reasonable in my opinion. I don't see it as restricting a right to require training.
For example, here in CT. we require the NRA safety class in order to get a pistol permit. Have to have it. Today was pistol permit day at my barracks. We have 2 days a week where people can renew their permit at my barracks, and not have to drive to DPS headquarters. The lobby was standing room only and there was a sign in list of people renewing permits. Nobody seems to have been stripped of the right to defend themselves by requiring a one time training class, at least here in CT.
Nor do I want to. I don't see it as removing a right by requiring training. Maybe you do, but I don't.
Can it be used to "weed out" people who can't afford the training? Yes, possible. Is it now? No. My wife took her NRA class for 75 bucks. Reasonable in my opinion. I don't see it as restricting a right to require training.
For example, here in CT. we require the NRA safety class in order to get a pistol permit. Have to have it. Today was pistol permit day at my barracks. We have 2 days a week where people can renew their permit at my barracks, and not have to drive to DPS headquarters. The lobby was standing room only and there was a sign in list of people renewing permits. Nobody seems to have been stripped of the right to defend themselves by requiring a one time training class, at least here in CT.
Conn. Trooper
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I went and got my permit just to have another form of ID and also to be able to buy a long gun out of state without a hunting license. Wanted to buy a shotgun once in Maine and they would have let me walk out with it if I had a pistol permit or a hunting license, at the time I had neither.
I still dont have a hunting license, but I have bagged quite a few furry critters in my day. With my Ford
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I still dont have a hunting license, but I have bagged quite a few furry critters in my day. With my Ford
.armoredman
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Aaaaand the Governor signed the Preemption bill, AND AZ made firearms, so we are now on the Montana level.
Schedule for tomorrow doesn't show SB1108 on the House Third Read docket yet...soon.
Edit to add, anything you require a government permission for, i.e., "permit", is no longer a right and subject to government whim. That's why I hate the idea of having to go ask the government, no matter how benevolent, for thier written permission for me to excercise a right. My opinion.
Schedule for tomorrow doesn't show SB1108 on the House Third Read docket yet...soon.
Edit to add, anything you require a government permission for, i.e., "permit", is no longer a right and subject to government whim. That's why I hate the idea of having to go ask the government, no matter how benevolent, for thier written permission for me to excercise a right. My opinion.
NOPE
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God I hope not...First of all I don't think ANY taxpayer should have to pay to incarcerate ANY illegal alien...deport their ass plain and simple...regardless of where they import from.
You want to come to the U.S. then do it right!!!
(side note: The pink jumpsuit/underwear/handcuff idea is the funniest thing I've seen in ages...KUDOS!!)
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