Anything Good About The Gwb Administration????

Inflation can happen in a good OR a bad economy.

I didn't say "inflation" now did I? I said "high inflation". HIGH inflationary rates are a BAD BAD thing. Ask any accountant (I know this, I have a degree in accounting as well as my JD.) Ordinary inflation is expected and adjusted for over long periods of time. Frequent adjustments to the lending rates means that inflation is not in check. Which is one of the signals of a poor economy since a stable economy grows at a low rate of inflation and lending rates don't need adjustment as often or in large amouts. 1/4 point rate increases every few months for over the course of the last 2 years is not a sign of stability. It's a sign of instability.

The fact that the Fed is raising short-term interests rates is not proof that the economy is in bad shape, it's proof that the economy is a moderated entity.

Wrong. The Fed is adjusting the overnight rate because of inflation PER GREENSPAN'S TESTIMONY. If you're going to argue what the Fed does, it pays to listen to the testimony when the Fed Chairman talks about what they're doing and why. Coming up with pretty phrases like "moderated entity" are meaningless even though they sound like you know something. Smoke & mirrors when you are trying to discuss factual issues aren't the best method for a convincing argument.

Unemployment for September, the last month for which averages have been calculated, was 5.1%.

Monthly unemployment rates are only valuable for determining if an adjustment in the lending rates is warranted (along with other data). Yearly unemployment rates show the long term trend that occurs as a result of adjustments and inflation. Monthly rates are too volatile from too many variables to use for this type of thing.

But, by your own linky to the Misery index, you PROVE that GB's tax plans, budgetary plan, and financial "fixes" aren't working and are actually contributing to the economy problem. Check your chart - it shows that for the last 4 yrs on the chart, unemployment has been higher than when he took office. I wonder how you explain how Clinton could cause unemployment to go up several years AFTER he left office? The answer is simple, he couldn't unless either his sucessor is incompetent and continues the financial planning of his predecessor OR the sucessor is incompetent period.

The true market of economic stability isn't necessarily a low unemployment rate, but one that is both low AND stable. And by any marker, the current unemployment rate is low and stable.

An unemployment rate in excess of 5 1/2% is NOT "low" nor does the chart lend credence to your claim that it's "stable". A low rate would be 3.5% to 4%. A stable rate would be around 4-4.5%. The index show that high rates are those in excess of 5%. Your own "debunking" proof tends to unravel your argument and rationale.

A low rate goes along with a stable economy. For example: The 1960's were a time when the economy was stable, food prices were fair, home prices affordable, and life was liveable (outside of the Vietnam issue). The index shows that unemployment during that time was less than 5% for 6 of the 10 yrs. 60% of the time the rate was under 5%. Pretty stable time given the temultuous political & social climate. However, when you consider that 3 of the last 4 yrs on the index (2000-2004) have ALL been in excess of 5% and we already know that 2005 will be in excess also, this lends credence to the proposition that today is NOT "stable and low" when it comes to unemployment. Again, your own proof refutes you.

That's significantly better than the unemployment rate during the hot economic years during Reagan's presidency, and better than it was for the first 3 years of Clinton's presidency.

Lets see, Reagan was a Republican wasn't he? So was GHW Bush. And they BOTH had high unemployment rates along with huge inflation issues. So does G-dub. I wonder if there's a connection in there somplace??? Maybe their economic plans have a recurring flaw? Looking at the index we can see that during those times when Clinton held office the unemployment rates actually went down and STAYED down. Again, coincidence? I think not and your "proof" corroborates the proposition that the current admin is not creating a good healthy economy and in fact they are doing the opposite.

While I admit that the current economy is not as bad as it was in the early 80's, it's STILL bad. Adoring praise for your political candidate of choice does not change that fact. Neither does it put food in the mouths of the hungry nor a roof over their heads.
 
Lets see, Reagan was a Republican wasn't he? So was GHW Bush. And they BOTH had high unemployment rates along with huge inflation issues.
Really? Then tell us, oh economic historian, what the inflation and unemployment rates were under Jimmy Carter.
 
perhaps when GM goes bust as it probably will soon...some people might wake up and realize that the economy is in fact..in the sh@tter. There are alot of other indicators as well that things arent all that rosy.
 
some people might wake up and realize that the economy is in fact..in the sh@tter.
Ah, the liberal/left, always hoping and praying for a disaster to push their non-agenda along. Too bad the economy is humming right along, and will be even better by next election time.
 
I'm one of those people who lost his job after 22 years.

Fortunately I've found another, but I took about a 40% paycut. I challenge the notion wages are increasing.
From a being unemployed searching point, wages are dropping. Most of the jobs I have found in my field (computers) are only paying $10 to $15 an hour. That's tough to live on, let alone the minimum wage.
 
hey Rebar..get your head out of the concrete...

you got me pegged...i am definetely a communist...with a secret hidden agenda...YOu know its hard to talk to somebody when they throw those little stones out there...isnt it nice when you have nothing useful to add..to just happily compartementalize somebody into a label?

btw..I own 2 companies..and am a ruthless capitalist who would love to have somebody like you work for me..so I could show you how fun loving and left wing I am as I work you into the ground and grow rich from your toils.:D :D :D

I would encourage you to read some more financial newspapers...I dont see anybody talking about a gold road paved ahead...oil companies maybe excluded.

Manufacturing is starting to hurt..whether its jobs heading to Asia or other factors...there is no dissputing jobs are leaving North America..one way or another. Frankly its hard to compete against the third world these days..they offer low wages..no health care...have billions of workers just itching to get the job done...and last but not least...finally they are able to offer a quality product that is better than what alot of union shops turn out in North America..all that for maybe a sixth or less the price.

And you still think the good days are here to stay?
 
hey Rebar..get your head out of the concrete...
My head is just fine, out of the liberal/left doomsday scenarios and looking forward to a better America and a better world.

It's your head that's always looking up, waiting for the sky to fall, hoping that it falls. Because that'd show those nasty republicans are wrong! Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. And for how long, you all been talking about all the jobs leaving overseas for the last 30 years already.

You want to find bad economies, look to the socialist Europeans, look to Cuba and North Korea. Look at the economy that the democrats want for us, that Hillary wants for us. That's where disaster lurks.
 
come on..you can do better than cite DPRK or those happy people in Habana...cant you?

Or maybe not.

Lets look at south east asian economies, China, Taiwan, India, Indonesia ...for examples...

You see unlike you I dont care who is right or wrong. I prefer a strong economy its good for business. So I really dont care who is running the show, as long as business is good. I am concerned that the way things are heading things will start to go downhill. Some trends are already in place....

to bad all you can do is shout sh@t about the sky is falling...lol and peg board people with silly little labels.

I would recommend you read the book Collapse for starters...you do read dont you?

based on your posts, Im curious, are you a member of a trade union? or some type of union?
 
Hey, I started this thread and it has generated a lot of good exchange :) and I now want to add this for those remaining "radical gwb regardless republicans":barf:

When you talk of "improvements" in any form during the gwb administration you must be refering to improvements from the "bottom of the barrel" status :eek: that occured during his first term. The only people realizing an "improvement" from gwb are his rich and upper level croonies. :( Also, anyone who thinks the President of the United STates does not have a profound impact and influence on any aspect of amrican life and policies is perhaps a shovel or two shy of a wheel barrow load.:eek:
 
When you talk of "improvements" in any form during the gwb administration you must be refering to improvements from the "bottom of the barrel" status that occured during his first term.
Incorrect. This administration has done more than any previous administration in the last 100 years in the cause of RKBA.

I've copied Bartholomew Roberts' list of RKBA advances in Post #4 of this thread. Review them carefully.

Can you name any president in the last 100 years who has done more than GWB for the RKBA cause ?

Can you name any other president in the last 100 years who has done anything for the RKBA cause ?
 
Hey VergilCAine, naw, I don;t hang out at bars anymore, done got too old for that stuff. Just barely able to get up in a tree with my bow or gun and shoot something-don;t think I could fight off them ole bar flies anymore< no what I mean?LOL
You in michigan, what you know about PC anyhow?
Gotta go look this stuff ole GWB cheer leader (Silver Bullet) is talking about.
 
Hey Silver Bullet, man you need to stay away from that reservation and fire water/ I never had anything to say against the republican party, have been a dues paying, contributor to the Republican National Committee since RR. Its GWB who I cant make my self support. His entire adult life has been built around lies and favors to hsi fathers rich oil men in Texas.
Ashcroft was "my man" and he was railroaded out of the job by gwbs tyrants who did not like his upholding the constitution of the US as it relates to individual freedoms. Now under the guise of home land sucurity we have no private life. Guns are being registered, if you don;t think so go buy one as I did a couple months ago.
 
Rebar....

the last election was 52% voted for Bush 49% didnt

thats only 2% difference hardly sounds like folks are running away from the liberal democrat side in huge crowds.

suppose 3% of that 52 percent become disatisfied with Bush and vote the other way next time?

after all its not about Bush vs.Kerry

but Bush vs. Bush
 
"I didn't say "inflation" now did I? I said "high inflation". HIGH inflationary rates are a BAD BAD thing."

And, as I said, high inflation rates, or low inflation rates, can happen in a good OR a bad economy.

Inflation is not controlled by single economic vector.

"Wrong. The Fed is adjusting the overnight rate because of inflation PER GREENSPAN'S TESTIMONY."

God almighty, how you've managed to get this so wrong is beyond me.

The Fed is raising the rate to PREVENT out of control inflation. By moderating the cost of credit, the Fed's actions can have either a positive or negative effect on consumer spending. ONE inflationary vector, the kind we face right now, is a good economy with people willing to spend money. When people spend money, prices tend to rise due to the law of supply and demand. Too much demand, not enough supply, and prices can rise out of control.

I've got a little quiz for you...

During World War II, what was the primary puropose of encouraging Americans to invest in War Bonds?

I have absolutely NO doubt that you'll be shocked by the answer based on your inability to understand how the Fed's actions affect inflation.


Ultimately, you've still failed dismally to provide any proof that the economy is in bad shape.

Inflation remains low, unemployement remains low and in check, consumer purchasing remains high, and more importantly, domestic production also remains high to fulfill consumer demand.

Only those who are most fantastically divorced from reality can declare that the current economy in shreds and that it's the Republican's fault.

It's akin to Clinton and his democratic lap dogs demonizing the incredible economic rebound that occurred during the 1980s during Reagan's presidency as being somehow an indication that the national economy was self destructing.
 
"I challenge the notion wages are increasing."

YOUR wages aren't increasing. That sucks. But you are not indicative of the national trend.

Nor am I indicative of the national trend, either.

Since George Bush's election in 2000, my wages have gone from $42,000 a year to nearly $75,000 a year.

During the height of the "wonderful" economic times of Clinton's administration, I was making, at most, $32,000 a year. I also lost a job during that time, and spent nearly a year out of my profession.
 
Inflation remains low, unemployement remains low and in check, consumer purchasing remains high, and more importantly, domestic production also remains high to fulfill consumer demand.

Oh GAWD! Could you be MORE wrong?

First off, consumer confidence is at an ALL TIME LOW. Consumer debt is at an ALL TIME HIGH. GNP is staggeringly off and the trade deficit imbalance is growing. Consumer purchases of domestically manfuacturered goods is WAY WAY down. ALL of the blue chip companies are posting huge quarterly losses AGAIN.

Furture forcasts for this years xmas season are dismal as many retailers are gearing up EARLY in hopes that they can salvage something for the years sales receipts.

Ford, GM, Nissan, etc are all posting gigantic 3d qtr losses and sluggish sales. This in spite of huge discounts, incentives and low (or zero) interest rates on financing during the normally high-sales summer season.

The Fed just raised the rate because inflation was RISING. (duh, READ up on this because I get so tired of explaining to internet idjits that rates go up because inflation is going up. If you don't or can't understand that, then don't try to discuss it because it makes you look stupid) That's a total and unmistakable FACT that you CAN'T argue with no matter how much you want to deny it. Interest rates go up because there's too much money in the system which causes prices to rise because each dollar doesn't go as far. Raising interest rates cuts down on borrowing which reduces the amt of easily available currency in the system. Less available currency means that it retains its buying power. So, when the Fed raises the rates, it's means that inflation is going UP. Not down or steady.

Ask yourself this: If the economy is so wunnerful, WHY is GB trying to fix it with tax cuts, trade adjustments, and all that? Those things are usually done because there's a PROBLEM (hello, time to wake up and realize it) and everything isn't so wunnerful and sweet.

For those who have seen their wages go up by 2 or 3 times - can you float me a loan to buy some gas & groceries? :eek: After all, I ain't so well connected as you apparently seem to be. Neither are my neighbors. Oh wait, never mind, you're gonna need it yourself to buy your own gas and stuff since gas has almost doubled in price and food prices are going up right now. Why don't people understand that prices go up because the seller believes he needs to raise prices to cover his increasing costs? Which is because (in part) wages are going up dramatically because prices are increasing. Each feeds on the other. Low wages coupled with low prices is fine. High wages with high prices are fine as long as neither goes up. It's a ratio thing. As long as both are steady, everything is OK. But when one drives the other (as is happening now) then things are NOT OK.

Last but not least, GB's public approval rating is still around 40%. Doesn't anyone realize that a 40% approval rating means that 60% of American's don't like what he's doing? That certainly doesn't sound good to me and sort of makes me believe that his ideas aren't so hot and universally loved. It's also why his pollsters are polling so much in any attempt to show that he's gaining percentage points in his overall approval rate. Which isn't happening as his rate has been steadily going down bit by bit.

I wonder if anyone else realizes that an approval rating that dips below 40% and stays there means that the president is so incompetent he could be impeached for that reason? It's never happened BUT it's possible and GB is right on the edge and has been there for years.

It makes some people think. Others just bury their heads in the sand and make like an ostrich.
 
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