Anyone Else "Done" with Ultra Compact Guns?

I will be keeping my Chief's Special 9mm CS9. It is a joy to carry. Small, thin and light weight.

It shoots like a much bigger gun and is bet your life reliable. And the 7+1 capacity with a fast reload available is more than sufficient. 19 years of working robbery homicide investigations has proven to me that you will be out of time long before you are out of ammo.

No matter what you are carrying. Regards 18DAI
 
Nope. I carry a kahr cm9 everyday as I need deep/pocket concealment. Was thinking yesterday a smaller 380 might be in my future for running. You may be tough or you may be high but a couple shots from a 380 will make you reconsider your life choices.
 
Anyone Else "Done" with Ultra Compact Guns?


ewwww not a chance. At one time I though I was and sold my .380 TCP.
With in a month I missed the convenience and ran in to Fleet Farm and got a LCP .380 for a replacement.

Dont get me wrong no one I know would try to make the case that these little pocket Rockets are the #1 choice as a defensive hand gun.

But when you grab your keys for a quick run to town. You can also grab your gun and stuff it in your pocket and your armed.
Convenience has a quality all its own.
I wont ever be with out one again.

My main Carry is a XD's 45 but the LCP usually comes along for the ride too as my BUG.
 
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But against a gang of urban youths looking to rat pack somebody of a different color, I suspect the 380 will work fine since you won't get more than one shot at them anyway before they split.

Imagine what a report from a 10mm will do. They'll trip all over each other trying to be the first one gone. :D
 
I haven't invested a lot of money in ultra compact guns and I still have a couple of them (PM9 and P938) but, yes, I'm pretty-much done with them, except on the extremely rare occasion where I can't carry anything larger. But with a good belt and holster, I can carry any mid-size pistol with ease and comfort. Even wearing my usual t-shirt and shorts.

P320 .40S&W Compact w/ 14 rounds of 180 gr HST


My philosophy is to carry guns which I would hope to have in my hand should the dark day ever arrive where I have to pull a pistol in a defensive situation. Ultra compact guns are NOT the guns I would hope to have in my hand on such an occasion, so I almost never carry them.
 
Nice shot!!! The little Kahrs are good guns, though the capacity sure sucks. It makes a good BACK UP pistol to a primary carry, though. I like my PM9, but it certainly isn't THE gun I would wish to have in my hands should a dark day come about.

Is the PM45 THE pistol you would most wish to have in your hands in the event of a dramatic defense situation?
 
maybe im wrong, but when I hear the term "ultra compact guns" I think more along these lines....



rather than these...

 
so now a semi auto 45 is only good enough for a back up role. how long before anything less than a 30 round 50 AE magazine is considered the threshold of whats acceptable for self defense.
 
so now a semi auto 45 is only good enough for a back up role. how long before anything less than a 30 round 50 AE magazine is considered the threshold of whats acceptable for self defense.

Do you see everything just in black or white (low capacity 45, or 30-round 50 AE)? There are many shades of grey in between! ;)

The answer to your question all depends on the shooter.

One man's ceiling is another man's floor.

3-rounds may be enough; 6-rounds may be all that's needed.

Except for the times when they aren’t, due to rounds missing the target, or not stopping the threat, or there being two or three assailants. All the while, you should be moving so as to not BE shot. And the perp or perps are moving also!

Missed shots are the rule in most gunfire exchange scenarios. Trained law enforcement officers, in gunfire exchanges, miss their targets with about 70% of the rounds that they fire. You should expect that not all of the rounds that you fire will achieve the intended goal. TO be conservative, expect that perhaps 1/2 of your rounds fired will not achieve the intended result (stopping the threat immediately). Does limiting yourself to six-rounds on tap sound comforting?

This won't be like standing in your little booth at the range on a sunny Sunday afternoon, carefully squeezing off the best target shots you can by carefully aligning your sights on a non-moving piece of paper.

Perhaps the perp has a vest and you don't realize that until you've launched four or five rounds in a panic. You're not sure if you just missed (remember both you and the perp are both moving rapidly) or what. Now you have one round left for that perfect head shot - needing to be made while both you AND the perp are moving rapidly. GOOD LUCK!

You can't predict what circumstances you will face.

For some people, finding a reasonable combination of higher capacity, good terminal ballistics, good controllability, and reasonably comfortable-to-carry is the smart thing to do. Others just want the smallest, lightest-weight pistol they can carry, with the primary objective being to keep CCW as convenient and un-noticeable as possible.

Your approach may be different.

Ultimately, if you're like the average law-abiding citizen who avoids dicey situations, the odds that you will ever need to pull out a pistol in defense of your life are extremely small, so with that statistic in mind - you probably don't really NEED to carry a pistol at all! :eek:
 
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I was law enforcement in New York City for a decade, as well as Fire department for 18 years, as well as being at two terrorist attacks very early in their occurance. im not exactly wet behind the ears. You are right, now that I am retired i want relatively small, light and convenient. I have carried everything from a 22 short to a 45 colt. I'll work with what i have with me that day should I find myself in a bad spot.

That being said, there is nothing wrong with you carrying what you feel comfortable with either. I am just amused how the perceived acceptable minimum caliber and capacity for carry keeps getting larger and the calibers that fall into the unacceptable minimum carry keep increasing.
 
Anyone Else "Done" with Ultra Compact Guns?

Nope. Love my 3" Colt New Agent.



It fills a precise role that I need in my concealed-carry life right now.

Does it very well too. Good enough. :cool:

I was law enforcement in New York City for a decade, as well as Fire department for 18 years, as well as being at two terrorist attacks very early in their occurance. im not exactly wet behind the ears. You are right, now that I am retired i want relatively small, light and convenient. I have carried everything from a 22 short to a 45 colt. I'll work with what i have with me that day should I find myself in a bad spot.

Well said. And thanks for your service.
 
I was law enforcement in New York City for a decade, as well as Fire department for 18 years, as well as being at two terrorist attacks very early in their occurance. im not exactly wet behind the ears. You are right, now that I am retired i want relatively small, light and convenient. I have carried everything from a 22 short to a 45 colt. I'll work with what i have with me that day should I find myself in a bad spot.

That being said, there is nothing wrong with you carrying what you feel comfortable with either. I am just amused how the perceived acceptable minimum caliber and capacity for carry keeps getting larger and the calibers that fall into the unacceptable minimum carry keep increasing.

I thank you for your service, as well. Most people don't realize it, but cops are dying every day from be shot, wrecked in their cars & motorcycles, etc. I spend some time regularly on:

http://www.officer.com

Spend any time there, folks, and you will see that this nonsense about the poor criminals who are asking to be shot by breaking laws and defying LE are getting all the public attention & sympathy and practically none goes out to the cops who are killed EVERY DAY.

Just today:

http://www.officer.com

It's a tough world out there for our law enforcement and I think they should get all the support from us that we can give them.
 
I too served for over thirty years with a Calif police department encountering America's worst on a daily basis. If carrying a small pistol in conjunction with the service weapon saves one life by one officer then I say a backup is well worth carrying. I worked primarily plain clothes and carried a S
&W 3913 with one extra mag....would have carried a second smaller pistol also but my position did not warrant it.
Most of the uniform officers who practiced good officer safety carried some backup pistol, revolver or fixed blade knife in his boot.
I cannot imagine any reasonably sane individual having aspirations of becoming a law enforcement officer today when not only the BG is out to get you but the general public cares not if the scum succeeded.
 
I was law enforcement in New York City for a decade, as well as Fire department for 18 years, as well as being at two terrorist attacks very early in their occurance. im not exactly wet behind the ears. You are right, now that I am retired i want relatively small, light and convenient. I have carried everything from a 22 short to a 45 colt. I'll work with what i have with me that day should I find myself in a bad spot.

That being said, there is nothing wrong with you carrying what you feel comfortable with either. I am just amused how the perceived acceptable minimum caliber and capacity for carry keeps getting larger and the calibers that fall into the unacceptable minimum carry keep increasing.

Good words. I carry an M&Pc. Before that I carried an Ultra Carry. The wife carries a small cannon in her purse and will beat you with it after she takes out the Zombie army you came with. Each to their own capacity and preference.

Just make sure however you carry it is safe, with a strong kydex or stiff leather holster.
 
No I have yet to "give up" on any size or caliber pistol. Smallest, ultra compact gun I have would be a Baby Browning, though I have yet to ever carry it (basically bought it because I have always marveled at truly miniature size guns), and because the price was too good to walk away from it. Next up would be a KelTec P3AT which is so easy to carry it usually goes along as a BUG since it takes up so little space in my pocket. Also in .380 would be a Colt Mustang and a SIG P238, perfect as anytime/anywhere CCW.
 
For those who carry a ultra compact anything....more power to you....but it comes down to a simple fact....if you KNOW.....that today...you will NEED....to defend your self....how many will still choose an ultra compact over a full sized/high powered...combat worthy...handgun??
 
For those who carry a ultra compact anything....more power to you....but it comes down to a simple fact....if you KNOW.....that today...you will NEED....to defend your self....how many will still choose an ultra compact over a full sized/high powered...combat worthy...handgun??
If I KNEW I needed to defend myself at a certain time and place, I would avoid that certain time and place. If that's impossible, I'm bringing a rifle or shotgun.....maybe even a grenade if I start losing.

Simple fact: A handgun is going to get carried a lot more than it's going to get shot. Having a gun that can do both well is advantageous. That's why I carry my LC9 more than I do my Blackhawk.
 
For those who carry a ultra compact anything....more power to you....but it comes down to a simple fact....if you KNOW.....that today...you will NEED....to defend your self....how many will still choose an ultra compact over a full sized/high powered...combat worthy...handgun??
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....and if you KNEW you would be in no danger and would not need a gun that day, would you still carry? If yes, why?

The sword cuts both ways.
 
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