9MM Hollowpoints: Not impressive

I have no problem with using 9mm for defense, and do, occasionally. But after seeing that first chart one thing is certain.

I'm still quite happy with my use of .45 ACP as my primary defense caliber.
 
This thread is silly.

Now, if the OP had been shot with 9mm hollowpoints I could see him saying "not impressive", assuming he had lived with no ill after effects.

While I do believe the 9mm is a pretty weak pop gun caliber, I still love that cartridge for it's affordability. What other centerfire cartridge can you shoot from sun up to sun down for so cheap? Nothing. I can reload those things for pennies. Brass is like 35 bucks per THOUSAND. Try getting 45 colts for that price sometime.

I think the 9mm can work just fine. Learn how to shoot one well and it's just as deadly as the next caliber.

I dunno, but I think if the OP had taken one to the chest he might change his mind about all this and start singing a different tune, provided he lived to tell the tale.
 
If you take all of the 9mm VS .45 threads (and that's what this is) and lay them end to end they would span the distance to the moon and back...OK maybe Mars and back.

I have both 9mm & .45ACP. I usually tell people I carry a .45....it just sounds more impressive.;)
 
9 out of 10 people killed by 9mm bullets agree it's an effective round
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I would have thought 10 out of 10 would have agreed. Whose the 10th dead guy that didn't agree to it being effective....:D:D:):):D:D
 
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Yesterday, 02:27 PM #79

Mike Irwin wrote:

"If .07 inches saves your bacon, then why wouldn't you want it?"

If?

But what if it DOESN'T?
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At that point I do not think it would matter to you, as you would not be aware of it.
 
Bullet tech

Bullet Tech is so advanced now that high dollar hollow points in 9mm are so close to high dollar hollow points in 40 or 45 the difference is negligible if shot placement is good (as stated 30 times already). The illustrations were good quality and enjoyable to read so well done one and all.

I like the as much as you can comfortably keep on target as fast as possible theory of self defense. I can keep high $ HP for 9mm on target faster then .40 or .357.
I still keep the .357 revolver beside the bed at night.
Unfortunately the .357 only caries 6 and a speedloader in waistband.
My 9mm carries 19+1 and a 19 round mag in waistband. One is for intruders and one is for around the town. The same purpose for different scenarios.

Bullet Tech+Quality or Bullet Tech+Quantity still equal the end of the fight as long as you bring a little accuracy each time.
 
Brought back from the dead for more anger and discussion.

I carry and shoot both 9mm and .45acp. With that being said, I still prefer a round knowning that I do not have to rely solidly upon expansion to work well. As said before in a choice between a 9mm fmj and a .45 fmj, I'll take the .45 when possible.
 
What are you, a witch doctor? Raising zombie threads from the dead.:D

Lemme summarize for you. 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP. All perform pretty much the same with modern bullets designs.
I had that proven to me on another thread on another forum or maybe this forum and maybe this thread. Who knows?
Anyway, felt like an idiot. It's all good though, since I am my village's idiot, it's familiar ground.:p

Now, with the great loadings available these days, it's pretty much boiling down to picking the one you shoot best or feel most comfortable with.
I have 9mm and .45ACP. Like'em both and have no problem reaching for either when the goblins come-a-callin'. That is, if my 870 or SxS is not handy.
 
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20x138mmB Long Solothurn
bullet weight ( grains )
1836
Muzzle Velocity, feet per second
2952
Muzzle Energy, foot-pounds
35543

The 20x138mmB cartridge was a type of ammunition used mainly for anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons during World War II. The designation means the caliber was 20 mm, the length of the cartridge case was 138 mm and B indicates it was a belted case. The cartridge was also known as the Long Solothurn cartridge.

History

The 20x138mmB cartridge was initially created by the Swiss Solothurn company in the early 1930s.

Users

The 20x138mmB cartridge was used in the following weapons:

Switzerland

* Solothurn anti-tank rifles: S-18/1000 and S-18/1100

Germany

* FlaK 30 and FlaK 38 anti-arcraft guns
* KwK 30 and KwK 38 vehicle-mounted weapons
* MG C/30L aircraft gun

Italy

* anti-aircraft guns: Cannone-Mitragliera da 20/65 modello 35 (Breda) and Cannone-Mitragliera da 20/77 (Scotti)

Finland

* Lahti L-39 anti-tank rifle
* Lahti L-40 anti-aircraft gun
 
^^ That doesn't count. It's not 9mm :) ^^

Now here's a 9mm you can sink your teeth into. Okay, okay it's actually 9.3mm and not a hollowpoint but it will blow away any .45acp out there.

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ME 35,543 ft/lbs. :eek::eek::eek::eek:

WOWZA!
I wonder how many ft/lbs of free recoil one would feel from that?:eek::eek:

OK, Sport45, what are the stats on your round? Probably pretty impressive too, I would imagine.
 
OK, Sport45, what are the stats on your round? Probably pretty impressive too, I would imagine.
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I'd have to look it up, but the power would pale by comparison to the 20mm anti-tank round above. The 9.3x74R is made for shoulder fired weapons. Typically double rifles you would see on an African safari for shooting things that might mash or eat you if the shot doesn't put them down quickly.
 
Anybody have a 45acp HP +P to compare against a 9mm HP +P+? If wer're talking about best bullets, why not compare best to best?

I was under the impression that the reason the military switched from 30-06 to 5.56 and from .45 to 9mm is because of the lighter weight and ability to carry more rounds.
 
Mustang is correct, as I recall

as I understand it, switched because of less weight, can carry more ammo in the field. As to why the switched to 9mm on the handgun caliber has more to do with NATO pressure then best bullet/best caliber, as I understand the history. Naturally every police force jumped on the 9mm craze back then , then the civilians did since it must be the best caliber, heck the army and the police force switched...I wonder how many police force's still use the 9mm, think most have dumped it in favor of the 40. Moral of the story, just because the armed forces picks something doesn't make it the best, or at least, the best for you. In my house, doubt if any bad guy is going to let me shoot at him 15 times so I'd opt for a .45, out on the street where you may encounter several gang bangers, well the additional rounds may be better then the lower rounds of a .45.
My two cents worth, and my history of the military's changing of both of the above mentioned rounds, as I recall the history.
 
The S&W 1911, Colt Government, and P220 sit in the safe. They are used on the range.
A G17 sits on the nightstand. A G26 and a P2sk are used for CCW. A G34 is used for IDPA. The 9mm offers dirt cheap practice ammo. Quality +P JHP brings the 9mm so close to the .45ACP, that to tell the difference, you must split hairs.

The 9mm pistols offer large capacity. At the other end of the spectrum, 9mm pistols can be so small and light, you "almost" forget they are there while carrying.

I haven't seen the need in the .45ACP as a self defense caliber, for several years now.
 
9x19mm has never killed anyone ever. Likewise, no one has ever survived a hit with a .45auto. All guns in 9mm should be shipped directly to my house--so I can oversee their destruction. Also, send me all of your 9x19mm ammunition so I can see that it never again disgraces the handgun community.
 
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