Your View on Coyote Hunting?
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Brian Pfleuger
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"Those we hurt"?
Animals are not "those".
That is classic anthropomorphism. Animals are not people.
There is no difference between poisoning a mouse and poisoning a coyote or bear or elephant.
Back before Walt Disney, nobody thought animals had families or plans for the future or worried about each other or agonized about being hurt. Nobody thought animals were people, because they aren't.
They are not individuals except in the sense of being singular.
I'm curious what emotion I'm supposed to have when I kill a coyote, or any other animal. I'm supposed to be sad? Why would I do something that has only failure or sadness as options? I don't have any physical need to hunt, why would I do what can only end negatively?
Animals are not "those".
That is classic anthropomorphism. Animals are not people.
There is no difference between poisoning a mouse and poisoning a coyote or bear or elephant.
Back before Walt Disney, nobody thought animals had families or plans for the future or worried about each other or agonized about being hurt. Nobody thought animals were people, because they aren't.
They are not individuals except in the sense of being singular.
I'm curious what emotion I'm supposed to have when I kill a coyote, or any other animal. I'm supposed to be sad? Why would I do something that has only failure or sadness as options? I don't have any physical need to hunt, why would I do what can only end negatively?
One is more grounded in reality though, but that is easier for me to say that because I hold it. Nevertheless, when I remove the emotions and look at the facts, coyote hunting and trapping is a good thing for man and nature.
Mike,
This was your response when asked if you hunt. May I ask do you target shoot or plink?
Art Eatman
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buck460XVR
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I generally have mixed emotions. Elation that I was successful and my tactics worked and a little sad because the hunt is over and something that was alive just moments before is dead. Somehow, whether it is a nice buck or the damn rabbit eating my Blueberry bushes, I try to show it some respect in death. That's what drives my ethics for the most part. Again, those ethics are mine and I need not to explain or justify them to anyone but myself as long as they are legal. If my aim was off or something beyond my control led to the animal suffering more than it should, I feel even sadder and it motivates me to do better next time. This has nuttin' to do with Walt Disney or humanizing the animal, it is called humanity and most folks consider it a positive trait.
Why is there a need if you killed the coyote legally and humanely?
A common practice around here for a few houndsmen is to run a coyote, adding enough fresh dogs at frequent intervals that the 'yote is finally caught by the dogs when it succumbs to exhaustion and the dogs rip the still alive coyote to pieces. It is an ugly sight and those that do it claim it is needed to reenforce the dogs desire to trail the 'yote. I have had bird-dogs all my life and have yet had any desire or seen any need to allow them to catch and disembowel a live bird on purpose. I truly believe those folks get some sort of sick thrill from the gore and screams from the unfortunate 'yote. Similar to those that pull the wings off flies. But then....they are just flies, eh?
Sounds exactly like what coyotes do to deer. As you said before, it's ugly to us. It's life as usual for the coyote.
I haven't done it, but I don't see how it's any different than what coyotes do. Take the dogs hunting, let them hunt. It's not sick when the coyotes do it, right? The dogs and the coyote damn sure don't know any different, I think we agree on that.
Retrievers are bred for different purposes than hounds, no? I think it's not an apples to apples comparison there.
Mike 1234. I'm confused. You've stated that you hate hunting. You werealso asked if you did any shooting at just targets? No answer as of this post.
You say that anyone who enjoys the killing of an animal is sick When I kill an animal, regardless if it is a coyote ot a big game animal like the elk I took last season. I enjoy the fact that I made a good shot and made a quick and as painless a shot as I possible could.
What I am thinking, and so far people have been polite enough to not say it, sir, I think you're one of the bunnyhuggers who has come on to a hunting site to try and convince us to stop our evil ways. Methinks it ain't gonna happen. If I am mistaken I certainly will apologize but it's gonna take an awful lot to convince me otherwise.
I've been hunting something ever since my first deer hunt in 1949 at age 11. I'll be doing and elk hunt next January and hopefully a deer hunt come October. Both animals if I'm successful will be eaten to the very last scrap. That's what hunting is all about to me.
Paul B.
You say that anyone who enjoys the killing of an animal is sick When I kill an animal, regardless if it is a coyote ot a big game animal like the elk I took last season. I enjoy the fact that I made a good shot and made a quick and as painless a shot as I possible could.
What I am thinking, and so far people have been polite enough to not say it, sir, I think you're one of the bunnyhuggers who has come on to a hunting site to try and convince us to stop our evil ways. Methinks it ain't gonna happen. If I am mistaken I certainly will apologize but it's gonna take an awful lot to convince me otherwise.
I've been hunting something ever since my first deer hunt in 1949 at age 11. I'll be doing and elk hunt next January and hopefully a deer hunt come October. Both animals if I'm successful will be eaten to the very last scrap. That's what hunting is all about to me.
Paul B.
I have to wonder if you're making statements about a group based on what you've seen on TV...
Also, I would take it kindly if you did not group the people you see on the Outdoor Channel with real life hunters. The things you see there are not a true representation of other hunters.
Unless you have a way of proving this statement, can we assume that you are just making an assumption based purely on your own feelings about hunters? If so, can we also assume that you actually know very little of the destruction coyote can do if left unchecked as they basically have been in many states due to the fact that pelts haven't paid much at all for the last several years and nobodies trapping them? And that your knowledge on the whole subject is only from what you hear or assume about hunters.
I've hunted for almost 50yrs. and have hunted around many, many hunters and can honestly say I have never witnessed another hunter that intentionally shot an animal to maim it for the enjoyment of watching it suffer.
Also, do to the fact that yotes have been out of hand for several years(and doing nothing but getting worse) and like many here, I've witnessed first hand the destruction of not only livestock, but the destruction of wildlife as well, I always try my best to make them DRT.
But you can bet two things:
1) If I see a yote, I am going to send something its way. If I have a bow, a .22 , a 3006 or a BP gun doesn't matter. I'm will fly something in its direction.
2) If the shot is a hit but not a killing shot and the yote runs off, I will not loose any sleep over it. But rather be delighted(and yes, may even smile) that that yote is not out there that night awaiting one of the calving cows to drop so it can rip the calf out of her or stalking the neighbors sheep or killing his chickens and dragging them to my field where I'll find all the feathers the next day.
If that makes me cruel, a psychopath, not grounded in reality or whatever other negative labels have been stated, so be it.
Far as being grounded in reality goes...come spend a few weeks here and you can get a true life, first hand reality check on the destruction of the yote. Want to get a better reality check, invest some of your own hard earned money and many hrs. of your time in some livestock only to go out and find the remnants of a few a month dead.
Your 'soft spot' for the yote may fade quickly.
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leadcounsel
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Hunting? Uh huh.
I suppose if driving up to a field, tajing out a $1500 scoped rifle, and blasting 20 coyotes with a big ole grin ... hardly a single fair or sporting chance now is it?
Far cry from using real hunting skills or values or killing only when necessary and not wasting any of your kill.
May as well breed dogs for alley fighting and call that a sport.
I suppose if driving up to a field, tajing out a $1500 scoped rifle, and blasting 20 coyotes with a big ole grin ... hardly a single fair or sporting chance now is it?
Far cry from using real hunting skills or values or killing only when necessary and not wasting any of your kill.
May as well breed dogs for alley fighting and call that a sport.
Brian Pfleuger
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More derisive assumptions based on only what you want to believe, with no rational basis.
You obviously know little to nothing about coyotes or hunting.
A few decades back, I had a conversation with a sheriff's deputy who on occasion would patrol remote rural areas of the county. He said that he and others would regularly pull out their M-16s and take a shot at coyotes when the opportunity presented itself. I remember thinking at the time that I wouldn't do that. The yotes are a part of the natural scene and I'd just leave them alone.
In the years since, they've become enough of a nuisance and a danger to domestic livestock and pets that today, I'd shoot one with whatever I had at hand w/o a tinge of guilt.
In the years since, they've become enough of a nuisance and a danger to domestic livestock and pets that today, I'd shoot one with whatever I had at hand w/o a tinge of guilt.
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