Your View on Coyote Hunting?

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RE cruelty of coyote ripping baby animals apart while they scream: Yes, that's horrible. But there are many hunters who either intentionally take a bad shot or miss the boiler room intentionally allowing coyote to scream in pain. As men we should have more compassion than coyote. Otherwise we're as evil as some folks are insinuation that coyote are.
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In all my years of hunting and all the people I've hunted with I've never witnessed anyone intentionally making a bad shot for the purpose of making an animal suffer.

I have on occasion made a bad hit on a coyote, but I do my best to track and dispatch the animal as fast as possible; everyone I've hunted with would do the same.

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Yeah, I didn't want to pile on, but I have never heard of anyone intentionally shooting to maim in order to watch suffering. That is psychopathic behavior.

I have had to track animals and only given up on a few because of the blood trail petering out, but it was never because I missed the vitals on purpose.
 
If you ever witnessed a calf being taken from a cow by coyotes and hear the screams of agony from the calf when it's being torn apart and ate while it's still alive, you might then change your mind about the killing of coyotes, then again you might not.
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While this is an unpleasant scene for humans, it is the norm for any predator prey relationship. No different than those videos of the cute little baby sea turtles on their way to the sea, only minutes after hatching, getting gobbled up by flocks of seagulls. No different than a mother whale watching a pack of Orcas drown it's baby before eating it in front of her. Neither is a reason to feel good about killing. That said, those that live by violent death, are prone to a violent death themselves. Again, when it comes to hunting, as long as one abides by the laws governing the area, and aspires to a quick and clean kill, there is no reason to condemn someone, just because their ethics are different or their reason for hunting differ.
 
huntinaz... I didn't write nor intend to insinuate "majority" of hunters. I wrote "many". Sorry if I was unclear. I edited that post.
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I see the edit. The term majority was made by me. I'm clear on what you are saying, it's an outlandish statement. It is way off base, as that behavior is infrequent at best (I have never heard of it happening, anyone?). I can't say that it's NEVER happened, but to say it happens with any regularity whatsoever is out of line unless you have a source. Regardless, that isn't hunting and not what we're talking about.

I'm not flaming you, I'm just trying to point out that you have a misconception about what it happening.
 
Originally posted bt huntinaz:

I'm clear on what you are saying, it's an outlandish statement. It is way off base, as that behavior is infrequent at best (I have never heard of it happening, anyone?). I can't say that it's NEVER happened, but to say it happens with any regularity whatsoever is out of line unless you have a source. Regardless, that isn't hunting and not what we're talking about.

I'm not flaming you, I'm just trying to point out that you have a misconception about what it happening.
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Over the years, I have read many posts about folks claimin' that gut shooting coyotes and wolves to leave to run off and suffer is an appropriate death for them....especially when the wolves are killing their deer/elk.

I think this may be where Mike and many others get the idea that folks feel those predators need to suffer for all the suffering they cause. Kinda the old eye for an eye thingy. Thing is, using fangs and claws, predators have no other way of making clean kills. They are not causing pain and suffering just for the thrill of watching something die a slow and lingering death. Humans are the only ones that do this on a regular basis. Only sick humans suggest it to others.
 
While this is an unpleasant scene for humans, it is the norm for any predator prey relationship.
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Exactly. Everyday life for the coyote, and the calf. Coyote doesn't feel remorse for gorging on a fresh calf and it shouldn't. Likewise, it doesn't think "oh lord why me" when it catches a bullet or a car bumper or a lion claw. The coyote lives, breeds, dies. That's what coyotes do. Unfortunately for the coyote, it has competition. Me. I have an investment in that calf/deer/pet/car bumper. In my world, the coyote is a pest. Now, it is most definitely more fun to call in coyotes and shoot them than it is to trap a mouse or stomp a black widow but the reasons for doing so are the same. The activity itself is more enjoyable. It doesn't mean that I revel in the pain the coyote feels when I shoot it, quite the opposite. Concerning pleasure from death and pain; don't mistake my fun with watching a coyote suffer and die. Those aren't my thoughts, they are yours.
 
huntinaz... I'm not "way off base" but perhaps "too generalized". Many (not the majority) of hunters relish and "swim in" the killing of living creatures and take great pleasure in the killing. You must admit that many do. It's odd and strange that some really do "like killing". I don't mean you, nor the majority of hunters, and I SUPPORT hunting in general.
 
Over the years, I have read many posts about folks claimin' that gut shooting coyotes and wolves to leave to run off and suffer is an appropriate death for them....especially when the wolves are killing their deer/elk.

I think this may be where Mike and many others get the idea that folks feel those predators need to suffer for all the suffering they cause. Kinda the old eye for an eye thingy. Thing is, using fangs and claws, predators have no other way of making clean kills. They are not causing pain and suffering just for the thrill of watching something die a slow and lingering death. Humans are the only ones that do this on a regular basis. Only sick humans suggest it to others.
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Ok, I have heard similar sentiment but I have interpreted that more as a lack of sympathy rather than something to strive for. Less remorse at having one get away from a bad shot than say a deer, sure, but I have not read "I like to shoot them in the guts so they can suffer." A lot of people have no love for the coyote and for sure I am one, but if intentionally causing them to seffer has ever been routine I'd say it has fallen out of favor.
 
"Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet." Rudyard Kipling

I have to bow out of this thread because I think we are light years apart in thinking. Or, I am missing something.
 
Ok, I have heard similar sentiment but I have interpreted that more as a lack of sympathy rather than something to strive for. Less remorse at having one get away from a bad shot than say a deer, sure, but I have not read "I like to shoot them in the guts so they can suffer." A lot of people have no love for the coyote and for sure I am one, but if intentionally causing them to seffer has ever been routine I'd say it has fallen out of favor.
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Lack of sympathy is a half-step away from lack of empathy... "feeling nothing" for those we hurt regardless of necessity... or the lesser of two evils.

Does anyone here like the movie, "Avatar"?
 
Many (not the majority) of hunters relish and "swim in" the killing of living creatures and take great pleasure in the killing. You must admit that many do. It's odd and strange that some really do "like killing". I don't mean you, nor the majority of hunters, and I SUPPORT hunting in general.
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I don't know if you mean me or not, that depends on your definition. By "like killing", how do you mean? Do you mean that the enjoyable part is watching the animal die and hopefully cause it pain?
 
I don't know if you mean me or not, that depends on your definition. By "like killing", how do you mean? Do you mean that the enjoyable part is watching the animal die and hopefully cause it pain?
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Do you "like" killing? If so then I do mean you.
 
Also Mike, I must ask. Are you or have you ever hunted?
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No, I hate it... but it's more a matter of me being a coward. I SUPPORT hunting because it's far better than slaughter houses.

Like I stated before... I SUPPORT hunting for many reasons. BUT... the laughing/giggling strangeness of those killing other living creatures for "crazy fun" creeps me out. ***?? Sometimes we must kill for whatever reasons but why do so many hunters giggle and laugh when they kill something?? That's W-A-Y FAR beyond crazy and messed up.

I like the movie, "AVATAR"... the natives have a hold on what's right!!
 
Originally posted byhuntinaz:

Ok, I have heard similar sentiment but I have interpreted that more as a lack of sympathy rather than something to strive for. Less remorse at having one get away from a bad shot than say a deer, sure, but I have not read "I like to shoot them in the guts so they can suffer." A lot of people have no love for the coyote and for sure I am one, but if intentionally causing them to seffer has ever been routine I'd say it has fallen out of favor.
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Just as some don't feel as much remorse when they lose the Bambi they maimed intended for camp meat as when they lose the Trophy of a lifetime....and yes, I' read several posts where folks claim to gut shot coyotes/wolves on purpose. But, even if it's not really intentional, one knows that if there is not the concern for losing an animal, than marginal and poor shots are more likely to occur. I see no difference in taking a poor percentage shot at a trophy buck than at a lowly 'yote. But many do. Again, it's not a legal thing but an ethical one and the suffering by that big buck is no more than by the lowly coyote. It's only our perception.
 
Coyotes are not native here. They have migrated into the state and now seem to occupy the predatory niche of the red wolves to the north and the panthers everywhere. I haven't hunted them purposefully, yet, but would have no ethical problem shooting them all.
 
No, I hate it [hunting]... but it's more a matter of me being a coward. I SUPPORT hunting because it's far better than slaughter houses.
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If you support hunting because it's "better" than a slaughter house, why should it not also be a wholesome activity for those who do it? Are you saying, like leadcounsel, that it's ok to do it but not enjoy it?



Never saw Avatar. I don't learn life lessons from Hollyweird though.



Have others here felt the pain of other creatures at all?? Maybe some of your family members wish you could suffer the same fate because you're a jerk in their eyes?? Maybe other people you know should suffer the same long-lasting horrible fate because in your opinion they suck??



Maybe they deserve to die... but do they deserve to suffer so long? Maybe they do but my guess is (those who AREN'T SICK IN THE HEAD) don't wish devastating pain to to those who deserve to die.



WHO ARE YOU??
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I'd ask you to clarify this because I can't for the life of me figure out what it is you are getting at, but I'm not sure it's at all relevant to the topic at hand. So I won't.
 
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Have others here felt the pain of other creatures at all??
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Lengthy philosophical discussions have been made over the question of whether animals feel pain [the way we do] at all.

I think animals feel pain but as humans move into animal habitat (or vice versa in the case of coyotes) it will soon be a necessity to get rid of them. A few years ago I saw a beagle get killed and dragged off by a coyote; What if that was your dog? What do most people do when there is a rattle snake in the garage? Some animals are simply a danger to a humans life or lifestyle.

There will always be unethical hunters out there but it is certainly not the actions of the majority.

Mike1234, have you ever taken a hunter's safety course? Good hunting ethics are covered. And it seems like everyone here on TFL agrees unethical hunting practices are unacceptable.
 
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