You come out of a WalMart and .........

[markj]

I still find Markj's statement without basis in fact.

May I ask which statement? I have made a couple here.

My take is this. Sometimes things are not as they appear, so be absolutly sure before firing any weapon. This is the simplified version.

I do not carry a gun these days, I do not fear anyone. I say this too, a smile at the corect time will do wonders.

Glen, I just re read this thread, I posted not one thing to you, yet you posted this:

When, Markj, you say most will wet their pants - how do you know? From experience?

Who is being inflamatory here bud? I have no time for playing wit hall you youngins, gotta get some work done and this is a dead end thread. No one was there, so how can anyone say how they would act or react? Get serious now and quit using yer emotions as a backdrop. I would hate to see or read about anyone getting shot up period.

 

[Glenn E. Meyer]

CCW was in a mall, guy was shooting up the place, CCW guy pulled and got close, he couldnt pull the trigger when it came time, he was shot up. Shooting a man isnt like standing at a range and throwing lead at a paper target. Some cant even pull on a deer, seen it happen many times in real life. Face to face, eye to eye, most will wet their pants and get shot when it comes time to look the BG in his face. You must be a big man to want to do this, or maybe crazy. You get shot once, may change yer mind.


I don't think the statement that most will wet their pants in this paragraph is supported by what we know of the history of CCW permit holders. The mall intervener is a vivid instance where he tried to help but failed to protect himself. The gentleman who stopped the woman burner was successful. The assistant principal who stopped the school shooter from escaping was successful.

I don't think we have a list of interventions where the CCW permit holder consistently has failed or endangered anyone.

While this list is full of bluster at times, I don't think the general impulse to save deserving innocents is an indication of madness.

It is the great conundrum of the CCW movement - be a sheepdog vs. run for your life and be a good witness.

No one says to be a fool vigilante over trivia. But faced with real horror, someone is not to be faulted for thinking of oneself and avoiding the fight, but they are not to be faulted for trying to help.

 

[markj]

I don't think the statement that most will wet their pants in this paragraph is supported by what we know of the history of CCW permit holders.

Some do know how to handle a weapon, most on internet forums tho I question their abilities. Dont know em, havent shot with them.

Years ago, 4 guys come into the bar with one gal, a mexican guy was passed out his head on a table, his gal was sitting there waiting for him to wake up keeping to herself. The guys were taunting her then one tried to take her out of the bar, I wasnt there yet, a few customers intervened, the guys went out and came back in with guns. A shootout occured, no CCW in Nebr but there was 6 or 7 different calibers from the slugs I dug out of the walls, over 40 rounds were fired. Citizens stood up, BGs got shot up. BArtender quit on the spot, I had to go in and close for her. I am not saying heroic deeds cannot be done, I question those that publically state "I would do such and such" etc. How do they know what they will do until it happens?

Kids on the internet. Some of these scenarios are laffable at the very least.

 

[Texpatriate]

As pertaining to the OP's question...

..."what would you do?"

with my kid present (such as the witness's situation) I'd have run like hell with my kid in tow. I'm not going to interject myself into a potentially deadly situation with my 2 year old. Anyone who says otherwise is either stupid or full of it. If a criminal approaches ME or my family then that's a different story. Best policy would be to mind your own business and get the heck out of there when your kids are involved. Just my $.02.