You come out of a WalMart and .........
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I consider shooting the guy and stopping him from killing innocent people a likely, and 'good' outcome.
someone's life is in danger...
if you don't feel you can or will engage a threat, that is fine. I honestly do feel I can and will. I hope I never have to, but...
Also, I don't think it requires a seal team to handle most threats. Whether it be a young thief puke, or a drunk pissed off guy. I know I have had more training and have more confidence in my use of a weapon than most leo's.
Sure hope the guy you plan on plugging isn't the guy that just drove off a carjacker or whatever. I'd be a little messy for you.
Be SURE of a situation before you jump in. It's really easy to make things BAD and very difficult to make things better and you can't call bullets back.
Be SURE of a situation before you jump in. It's really easy to make things BAD and very difficult to make things better and you can't call bullets back.
You left out... post on TFL so everyone can judge your choices
I said I wouldn't shoot anyone, would leave and not interfere with arriving authorities, have a brew in the comfort and privacy of my own home. No one injured by me, no extended dealings with the law as a witness, no DUI on the way home from a bar. What's the problem?
I said I wouldn't shoot anyone, would leave and not interfere with arriving authorities, have a brew in the comfort and privacy of my own home. No one injured by me, no extended dealings with the law as a witness, no DUI on the way home from a bar. What's the problem?
So? I'm not LEO and I'm not sticking around to play "hero" unless the threat is directly aimed at my family. If the situation presented itself in such a way that I could save someone else's live, I would, however my first (and the most appropriate) response is to remove myself and my family from the threat zone.
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Be a good witness. Get back in the store where there is cover. Defend only if attacked or if I can see that the shooter is aiming at innocents.
Based on what the guy heard (shots) and saw (an older guy, aiming in a specific direction), I wouldn't do anything to engage with him. I don't know why he fired. I'm not even sure it was him doing the firing. He might have been shot at by the motorcyclist and drew his own gun but didn't have an opportunity to shoot before the biker left.
Coming upon a situation, or having our attention drawn to an already ongoing situation, leaves us woefully ignorant of very important details. He might be a cop, he might not. He might have been the one shooting, he might have been shot at. He might have been defending himself from a carjacker. Way too many unknowns to take any aggressive actions.
But for those advocating aggressively taking him out, you don't absolutely KNOW what you've walked into, so don't make it much, much worse.
I'll throw out just one possible situation: He just defended himself from an armed robber, his adrenaline is sky high. You come up behind him ordering him to drop the gun. He's got tunnel vision, his ears are ringing from several gun shots fired without hearing protection, and his focus is on the motorcycle. He vaguely hears your commands, and turns slightly toward you with a "huh?". The gun is still in his hand, but isn't necessarily pointing at you. But he may be thinking you're another armed thug. From his perspective, it's even probable. So if he does try to defend himself, legitimately, and you shoot him, who's the winner? You will have interjected yourself into a situation about which you did not have all the facts. Yes, legally, you may even be cleared of charges. But, and this is important, you should never have been in a position to have to face charges. Your ignorant (and by that I mean "not having ALL of the facts") charging into the situation would have left a good guy dead and you bankrupt from the civil suit sure to follow.
Always KNOW that you are absolutely right in pulling the trigger, and that the pulling of that trigger is the only option left.
and question:
Be a good witness. Get back in the store where there is cover. Defend only if attacked or if I can see that the shooter is aiming at innocents.
Based on what the guy heard (shots) and saw (an older guy, aiming in a specific direction), I wouldn't do anything to engage with him. I don't know why he fired. I'm not even sure it was him doing the firing. He might have been shot at by the motorcyclist and drew his own gun but didn't have an opportunity to shoot before the biker left.
Coming upon a situation, or having our attention drawn to an already ongoing situation, leaves us woefully ignorant of very important details. He might be a cop, he might not. He might have been the one shooting, he might have been shot at. He might have been defending himself from a carjacker. Way too many unknowns to take any aggressive actions.
But for those advocating aggressively taking him out, you don't absolutely KNOW what you've walked into, so don't make it much, much worse.
I'll throw out just one possible situation: He just defended himself from an armed robber, his adrenaline is sky high. You come up behind him ordering him to drop the gun. He's got tunnel vision, his ears are ringing from several gun shots fired without hearing protection, and his focus is on the motorcycle. He vaguely hears your commands, and turns slightly toward you with a "huh?". The gun is still in his hand, but isn't necessarily pointing at you. But he may be thinking you're another armed thug. From his perspective, it's even probable. So if he does try to defend himself, legitimately, and you shoot him, who's the winner? You will have interjected yourself into a situation about which you did not have all the facts. Yes, legally, you may even be cleared of charges. But, and this is important, you should never have been in a position to have to face charges. Your ignorant (and by that I mean "not having ALL of the facts") charging into the situation would have left a good guy dead and you bankrupt from the civil suit sure to follow.
Always KNOW that you are absolutely right in pulling the trigger, and that the pulling of that trigger is the only option left.
Day Dreamer
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well, I wouldn't be in a wallmart in the first place, because the lure of cheap prices is insufficient cause for me to support one of the worst corporations on the planet, that spreads across the United States like a pestilence. We're currently fighting to keep that place out of our town.
But, the most logical thing would seem to be simply walking back into "wally world."
But, the most logical thing would seem to be simply walking back into "wally world."
Glenn E. Meyer
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I would hide behind the green pepper display to watch someone try to command WalMart shoppers to listen to him about a shooting and perform a barricade action. What's dat anyway?
If you hit the ground, drew a gun and aimed at the doorway - the rest of the TFL commando squad will draw on you. Unless you are waving your CCW badge.
My nearest WalMart is a living example of our evolutionary tree - taking command of that situation if you weren't a police officer in uniform would be quiet an exercise.
If you hit the ground, drew a gun and aimed at the doorway - the rest of the TFL commando squad will draw on you. Unless you are waving your CCW badge.
My nearest WalMart is a living example of our evolutionary tree - taking command of that situation if you weren't a police officer in uniform would be quiet an exercise.
Gotta love these " what would you do scenarios "!!!:barf::barf: They run the gambit from the macho commando to those that will flee at all costs. Personally, I would get the hell out of any situation that I don't understand or have not been specificaly trained for. If I or my family was in imminent danger then I would of course use my carry weapon. there's the old adage " Lead, Follow, or get the hell out of the way". Most of us would be best served doing the latter!!
Here is how I would handle this. Run up to the shooter, tell him "you can do what you want to the girl, just leave me alone" then you will be safe to go home and make up ninja saves the world stories.
Why would anyone do anyting other than dial 911 and write down a descrption and plate?
Why would anyone do anyting other than dial 911 and write down a descrption and plate?
markj,
What if at the VT shootings, there was someone within engagement distance that had a ccw and was trained to use it? What if they called 911, then jumped out a window and went home? After that, there were 20 more people executed. What if one of those was your mother, sister or daughter?
Would you tell that person "you did the right thing by calling 911 and running, thanks for not being a macho john wayne freak"?
What if at the VT shootings, there was someone within engagement distance that had a ccw and was trained to use it? What if they called 911, then jumped out a window and went home? After that, there were 20 more people executed. What if one of those was your mother, sister or daughter?
Would you tell that person "you did the right thing by calling 911 and running, thanks for not being a macho john wayne freak"?
eltorrente
New member
The Walmart guy was in the parking lot shooting at the side of the building or something. The VT nut was walking into classrooms and shooting anything that moved.
The situation is just a little bit different.
I think anyone would pull their gun and try and stop a mass murderer who was in the act of walking through a crowded area shooting everyone.
Heh, I'm not gonna risk my life trying to stop a guy from shooting the Walmart sign or whatever he was shooting.
I would watch with interest and amusement as a Rambo ccw holder decided to try and stop him though. That would be interesting to watch. The ccw guy FINALLY gets to use his gun and his fantasies come true - unless of course he gets killed. All to prevent the guy from shooting the Walmart sign. I'm sure your family would think you were a real hero for saving Walmart from property damage.
