You come out of a WalMart and .........
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the part about drawing down, ordering him to disarm and lie face down in the dirt i could do. firing the non-lethal shot... probably not so much. i've been trained to shoot center of mass every time. that's where i would be aiming. being a hypothetical scenario, i gave a hypothetical answer.
anyone that has been properly trained on manning an armed check point, and dealing with inbound hostiles should be able to at least take charge of the situation. either lethally or non-lethally.
anyone that has been properly trained on manning an armed check point, and dealing with inbound hostiles should be able to at least take charge of the situation. either lethally or non-lethally.
wow drewbuddy !!! 
:barf: 
I am not trying to slam you, but WOW you need to rethink self defense with a firearm. Get a good book, any book, and read it.
Start with Principles Of Personal Defense by Jeff Cooper, then some of Massad F. Ayoob books, and Ralph Mroz.
If you are truly convicted that you can shoot to wound and not lethaly, you are deadly mistaken. When you shoot, you shoot the biggest mass of flesh presented to you EVERYTIME, and repeatedly until it ceases to be a threat.
Don't take my word for it, take a class, read a book. That is a huge hurdle to get past in being prepared to protect yourself and others.
:barf: I am not trying to slam you, but WOW you need to rethink self defense with a firearm. Get a good book, any book, and read it.
Start with Principles Of Personal Defense by Jeff Cooper, then some of Massad F. Ayoob books, and Ralph Mroz.
If you are truly convicted that you can shoot to wound and not lethaly, you are deadly mistaken. When you shoot, you shoot the biggest mass of flesh presented to you EVERYTIME, and repeatedly until it ceases to be a threat.
Don't take my word for it, take a class, read a book. That is a huge hurdle to get past in being prepared to protect yourself and others.
what would I have done??
I would have drawn and started quickly moving towards the shooter, while trying to maintain cover (cars). When within a tactical handgun range, I would yell at shooter to make sure he not a leo, once determined he is not a leo, and no innocent bystanders in my way (or behind him), and he does not immediately cease his threat toward me or others, I would empty my magazine into him. If he got away, I would do everything to follow him in my vehicle and use cell phone to lead police to him.
I know, here comes the John Wayne remarks...
I dont see it as ego, I see it as duty. I don't like it, and I hope I never have to answer that duty. But, I feel that being a MAN, and having a gun, and being well trained to use the gun; it is my duty to protect the lives of anyone from an evil person wanting to do them serious bodily harm or death.
Notice I said 'I feel'. I did not say other people are wrong if they feel otherwise.
I could not live with myself sitting back and being a good witness while someone's mother, daughter or son is being murdered, when I could have stopped it.
I would follow him, because he needs to be taken off the street.
I would have drawn and started quickly moving towards the shooter, while trying to maintain cover (cars). When within a tactical handgun range, I would yell at shooter to make sure he not a leo, once determined he is not a leo, and no innocent bystanders in my way (or behind him), and he does not immediately cease his threat toward me or others, I would empty my magazine into him. If he got away, I would do everything to follow him in my vehicle and use cell phone to lead police to him.
I know, here comes the John Wayne remarks...
I dont see it as ego, I see it as duty. I don't like it, and I hope I never have to answer that duty. But, I feel that being a MAN, and having a gun, and being well trained to use the gun; it is my duty to protect the lives of anyone from an evil person wanting to do them serious bodily harm or death.
Notice I said 'I feel'. I did not say other people are wrong if they feel otherwise.
I could not live with myself sitting back and being a good witness while someone's mother, daughter or son is being murdered, when I could have stopped it.
I would follow him, because he needs to be taken off the street.
oldironman
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drewbuddy wasn't talking about himself you dummies. He thought he was in the forum where you review the latest Bruce Willis movie. Good review Drew 
Honestly? I would take cover and call 911 on my cell.
Like the guy in the newspaper said, I would try to write down the license plate number.
I would not follow them around. I have enough trouble in my life, I don't like sending invitations out for more.
I might react differently if he was shooting at different people in the parking lot.
Wildalaska
Moderator
Next you're going to tell us about your combat experience.
Wildyes?Alaska
no. i won't bother. i have nothing to prove to you all. but i will say this, but won't go father into detail other than the following two statements:
i've been trained to defend myself and others, professionally, in a military environment.
i have had to draw my weapon three times in the past 10 years, in defense of my family.
to that, i know how it came out, what the circumstances were and what i could have done better, or not done. to facise (sp?) to say, been there done that.
i've been trained to defend myself and others, professionally, in a military environment.
i have had to draw my weapon three times in the past 10 years, in defense of my family.
to that, i know how it came out, what the circumstances were and what i could have done better, or not done. to facise (sp?) to say, been there done that.
store shooting
You know there have been shootings, at least one, at Target Stores... not busting on anybody for making jokes, just saying...
http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=3412781&nav=3w6oaWlH
Anyway, this guy had to be fairly far away from the shooting - something like 2 or 3 hundred feet - compared to my local Wal-Marts - I sure don't think I could even hit a man sized target at that distant with out a good bit of luck.
I'd probably be hauling tail right back inside the store - especially if with my son (if I had one). Once in call the professionals and hope the 'security' cameras get the plate.
You know there have been shootings, at least one, at Target Stores... not busting on anybody for making jokes, just saying...
http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=3412781&nav=3w6oaWlH
Anyway, this guy had to be fairly far away from the shooting - something like 2 or 3 hundred feet - compared to my local Wal-Marts - I sure don't think I could even hit a man sized target at that distant with out a good bit of luck.
I'd probably be hauling tail right back inside the store - especially if with my son (if I had one). Once in call the professionals and hope the 'security' cameras get the plate.
Right, because that is always instantly available knowledge.
My buddies dad was a NYC cop for something like 30 years and only ever used his gun twice. Twice in 30 years of putting himself in harm's way on purpose.
I worry that highly publicised events, like the ex-marine who stopped the robbery in the sandwich shop feed fantasies. Too many wanna be ninja's out there with very real ego problems finding the new CCW laws a quick fix to said ego problems.
Time will tell, but the CCW isn't going to feed the ego forever, then the ego will want more powerful weapons and eventually the ego won't be satisfied until those bigger badder weapons are used.
Young men with ego problems should join the military. Four years later they emerge as confident more mature citizens. Otherwise they annoint themselves as some sort of de-facto deputy or posse member and make life difficult for the rest of us.
Glenn E. Meyer
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I recommend going to the underwear section to see if there are any Superman or Wonder Woman underroos. If they have your size, pull them over your jeans and run out to join the fray. If they don't have your size, you can pull them over your head.
When did the military recommend nonlethal shots?
For me, it's back inside -because if you can see the gun, the gun can see you. The situation is too ill defined to join in.
When did the military recommend nonlethal shots?
For me, it's back inside -because if you can see the gun, the gun can see you. The situation is too ill defined to join in.
Wildalaska
Moderator
And with that, do I see discusssion as being properly closed
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eltorrente
New member
Heh, if some guy is opening up out in some parking lot, I'm gonna run to cover right away and get out of there. Maybe get behind a car or run back in the store- whatever is closer.
It's funny how people pretend they are SEAL team 5 and on a mission in enemy territory. People are gonna pull their gun and go "disarm" the shooter, or engage in a gun fight with him.
Yeah, o.k., whatever. We all have fantasies and "plans" for different situations, but the fact is you better get to cover and call the cops and let the professionals deal with it. No good can come from putting yourself in harms way in a situation like this one.
Heck, like someone said earlier - what if the guy was an undercover cop or fbi? You have no idea what is going on. Anyway, if you pull your gun, how do you know the guy isn't some quick-draw, bullseye, from the hip, maniac that'll spin and drop you when you try your heroics? Maybe you shoot him, but he could shoot you, too.
It's funny how people pretend they are SEAL team 5 and on a mission in enemy territory. People are gonna pull their gun and go "disarm" the shooter, or engage in a gun fight with him.
Yeah, o.k., whatever. We all have fantasies and "plans" for different situations, but the fact is you better get to cover and call the cops and let the professionals deal with it. No good can come from putting yourself in harms way in a situation like this one.Heck, like someone said earlier - what if the guy was an undercover cop or fbi? You have no idea what is going on. Anyway, if you pull your gun, how do you know the guy isn't some quick-draw, bullseye, from the hip, maniac that'll spin and drop you when you try your heroics? Maybe you shoot him, but he could shoot you, too.
Thunderhawk88
Moderator
Bullseye Justme!
That says it all!