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Who wants to trust these people with your private information?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/washington/01missing.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Inspector Lists Computers With Atomic Secrets as Missing


By MATTHEW L. WALD
Published: April 1, 2007
WASHINGTON, March 30 — The office in charge of protecting American technical secrets about nuclear weapons from foreign spies is missing 20 desktop computers, at least 14 of which have been used for classified information, the Energy Department inspector general reported on Friday.

This is the 13th time in a little over four years that an audit has found that the department, whose national laboratories and factories do most of the work in designing and building nuclear warheads, has lost control over computers used in working on the bombs.

Aside from the computers it cannot find, the department is also using computers not listed in its inventory, and one computer listed as destroyed was in fact being used, the audit said.

“Problems with the control and accountability of desktop and laptop computers have plagued the department for a number of years,” the report said.

In January, Linton F. Brooks was fired as the administrator of the National Nuclear Security Agency, the Energy Department agency in charge of bombs, because of security problems. The agency was created in the 1990s because of security scandals.

When the most recent audit began, the Counterintelligence Directorate was unable to find 141 desktop computers. In some cases, documents were found indicating that the computers had been taken out of service.

Previous incidents of wayward computers have also involved nuclear weapons information. But the office involved in this breach has a special responsibility, tracking and countering efforts to steal bomb information. Its computers would have material on what the department knew about foreign operatives and efforts to steal sensitive information.

The report includes a response from the security agency that generally agrees with the findings. But the inspector general, Gregory H. Friedman, noted in his report that “the comments did not include planned corrective actions with target completion dates.”

A spokesman for the department, Craig Stevens, said Energy Secretary Samuel W. Bodman “recognizes that we need to manage this place better.”

The counterintelligence office was recently merged with the intelligence office to improve operations, Mr. Stevens said.



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If you don't think a couple of Leo's have the right, power or however you would like to say it, just try, the next time your ask, with not many if any witnesses and tell him "NO you have no right to ask me for my ID" and see what happens.
Since when can't a cop lie to you?
Try the it's your word against his and his partner. Easy to say this or that but in the real world things can be very different than here on a forum, legal, right, fair or not.
In real life if a LEO says frog, buddy you better jump, like it or not.

And whats this have to do with the immigration crisis? Oh yes, I remember now, ID's for all citizens and legal visitors huh?
Everyone else it detained till proof is made available or subsequently deported right?

DasBOOT, Post 96 I like that one, read it to the wife she does too.
 
If you don't think a couple of Leo's have the right, power or however you would like to say it, just try, the next time your ask, with not many if any witnesses and tell him "NO you have no right to ask me for my ID" and see what happens.
Since when can't a cop lie to you?
Try the it's your word against his and his partner. Easy to say this or that but in the real world things can be very different than here on a forum, legal, right, fair or not.
In real life if a LEO says frog, buddy you better jump, like it or not.

Buddy, you've identified corruption of power. Your choice if you want to live with it. I know mine.

And whats this have to do with the immigration crisis? Oh yes, I remember now, ID's for all citizens and legal visitors huh?
Everyone else it detained till proof is made available or subsequently deported right?

Only when services are being rendered. Not going around knocking on doors with skimasks.
 
Somehow I can see this quickly deteriorating into tinfoil hat land with paranoia about a bar code tattoo and microburst transmitter implants...

Perhaps we might have a go at another proposal for a bit and come back to this one later? My hat is getting all crinkled.

For the record Sec, I do share your concerns about the abuse of power. Don't mistake me for taking lightly an issue equally as serious as what the thread is meant to cover.
 
Buddy, you've identified corruption of power. Your choice if you want to live with it. I know mine.

I beg to differ sir, you live with it like it or not. Like I said just try it and you'll find out pronto I am telling you the truth. Those guys have a job to do and their not gonna mess with some smartmouth if they don't have to and I don't blame em.
But don't take my word for it, or say you won't/don't live with it. GO out and find out for your self in a first hand way.
 
My hat is getting all crinkled.

Time for new tinfoil?

This has been all an all a good thread, it has had it's moments yes but good over all.

Only when services are being rendered.

Such as say a traffic ticket? Or a passenger in the car. Cops are suppose to have probable cause right? well ask any person a question hear the accent and you have your probable cause IMO. To ask for a ID. That is a ligament thing to ask and not racial, thats a stickler and Iam gonna probably get blasted for it, but good debate is a good thing.

E-gad two post in a row time for me to bow out at least for awhile,
evening gents.
 
I beg to differ sir, you live with it like it or not. Like I said just try it and you'll find out pronto I am telling you the truth. Those guys have a job to do and their not gonna mess with some smartmouth if they don't have to and I don't blame em.
But don't take my word for it, or say you won't/don't live with it. GO out and find out for your self in a first hand way.

I live and breathe it everyday. When I am not driving, I am almost never carrying my ID. I am not breaking the law. I am definitely not a smartass. I am not daring cops to demand ID.
 
Not sure if people that have not lived out west know this, but travel in the desert areas of Texas, New Mexico, California, etc. completely inside of the US border and you can come up on a temp. border patrol station with road block.

I don't know about anywhere else, but I live in the desert and travel all over the Ca/Nv desert. I have never run into such a station, so IMO the odds are quite small that you'd be stopped.
 
This has been all an all a good thread, it has had it's moments yes but good over all.
Oh, I couldn't agree more. I'm honestly a little surprised to see that it's going somewhere instead of erupting completely into a heated babble-fest.

Generally speaking, I'm liking the ideas regarding higher level requirements for DL's. Proof of legal status to get a DL would have a serious influence on an illegals ability to hide comfortably in the folds, so-to-speak. Personally, I wouldn't worry too much at the current level of things about any requirement to carry my ID with me at all times, even though it wouldn't be necessary to do so. As I mentioned before, it takes about thirty seconds for any LEO with a valid reason to question that I do in fact have one. Regardless, it's in my wallet, and I always have that on me. So it's a non-issue. Any LEO with an alterior nature to abuse authority is going to try to find a way to do so, regardless. We have it now, so I don't see this idea as being much cause for that to be effected either way. But that is another issue in and of itself.

One small point to ponder on---if illegal imigrants could not get a DL, how many would still drive? Why or why not? Granted, the question could encompass a very large scope of other effects, but just on the basic level of driving--what could we expect to see for changes?
 
One small point to ponder on---if illegal imigrants could not get a DL, how many would still drive? Why or why not? Granted, the question could encompass a very large scope of other effects, but just on the basic level of driving--what could we expect to see for changes?
This was covered in the original post. . .

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

Nearly 50% seems really high.. unless that AND is an OR and lots of stops are for obviously no registration. . .
 
This was covered in the original post. . .
You are correct--something in the brain disconnected the first half of this thread from the second half...

I guess where I was intending to go with this line of thought is... I heard a little quip about this on the radio the other day and it was mentioned that illegals, on average, need to accumulate upward of 5-6 arrests before a federal procecuter will even get involved to push charges beyond deportation. A quick search turned this up:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4654936.html

It's also been my understanding that quite a few California LE agencies have current policies against pursuing deportation proceedures for illegals encountered--in other words, they aren't talking with the feds to make these deportations happen. Am I understanding correctly? Any ideas on how those numbers might be effected if deportation was enforced more agressively--as in "you're caught--you're gone. Period." Considering the pathetic slap on the wrist, as I understand the current situation to be, I wouldn't be surprised if those numbers in the original post were entirely accurate.
 
Any ideas on how those numbers might be effected if deportation was enforced more aggressively--as in "you're caught--you're gone. Period."

Well I have repeated about three times in this thread. I will make this the last. Yes, someone is trying to do something to enforce immigration laws more aggressively.

Please read: http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/061127charlotte.htm and http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1074359/

This program is in my backyard (I am 5 miles from the NC border). It is helping. I think only Arizona, Florida, & Alabama local police agencies has a similar program. Of course Bush and the Fed's could also help instead of doing nothing as they have been doing.

BTW, yes this program has been challenged in the courts and the courts have upheld the rights of local police (with training) to arrest illegals for violation of federal law.

I don't mean this program is enough to stop the flood of illegals, but at least it is something as opposed to nothing. Now if could just deport Bush we could make real progress!
 
Seems NC is making some progress in several areas we're discussing so far.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/121727/

And this is interesting.
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One, NC Licenses will now require a valid social security number thus blocking illegal aliens from getting licenses in NC if the law is properly applied.

Two, starting Jan 1, 2007 all new hires in state government must be screened for legal presence or citizenship. The school systems have till March of 2007 to implement this change.

Three, the technical corrections bill (S 1523, page 18.) authorizes our local and state police to begin enforcing immigration laws!

Four, S 1896 places new laws in place regarding human trafficking
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From here--- http://www.rense.com/general72/four.htm

Thanks madmag. Since it's in your immediate area, what are the chances of being able to find out more specific details about it? I'm currently combing the NC 2005-06 Supreme Court Sessions for details, but there is a LOT to go through. If you know where to find it faster, I'd appreciate it. It's my impression these took a lot of public pressuring to get into place, I'd like to have more that a newspaper article to go on for building similar support in my area.
 
I'm following this thread that seems to have good intentions from everyone but lacks substance on correcting the problems in our country. Many things discussed are after the fact and where can we apply more band aids. The real issue would be starting at the source of the problem. Fix the problem there and your not constantly repairing it, then it just requires normal maintence.

A LEO in the North East stopping a vehicle and arresting a illegal immigrant due to no proper ID and following channels to have him deported may seem like an answer, but here in Arizona it's so common it's not even an issue anymore.

Many people here throw out the words such as racism and don't even have a clue, they throw out so called facts and issue do good statements both pro and con based on feelings and a perfect world. Good thoughts, but thats not real life.

Real life is America is being over run by Illegal Immigration, it's tearing us apart as a country and causing us all hardships. In the long run that effects everyone's way of life and will for generations to come. No good can come from unprotected /uncontrolled borders, it's a threat to the American way of life.

kenny b
 
Real life is America is being over run by Illegal Immigration, it's tearing us apart as a country and causing us all hardships. In the long run that effects everyone's way of life and will for generations to come. No good can come from unprotected /uncontrolled borders, it's a threat to the American way of life.

I totally agree. My only point was that at least someone is making a stab at doing the right thing. This would not be necessary if we had a Government & President that was willing to do the right thing. Bush does not control the border because he does not want to control the border. Until middle America really gets mad it will continue.

More need to to experience first hand some of the consequences of illegals using our social system. I checked into a hospital in Louisville, ky for surgery. They asked my SS#, Medicare card, private insurance card, and I signed a paper that I would be responsible for any bills not paid by the above. Next to me an illegal checked in using an interpreter. They sent him directly in for treatment. When I asked why they said they are not allowed to ask his citizenship or make him pay bills....he falls under uninsured care. What a great system.:barf:
 
Nearly 50% seems really high.. unless that AND is an OR and lots of stops are for obviously no registration

What would it matter if it was only 10% that would be close to one in ten next to you one the freeway with no insurance. What do you suppose that does to everyone that pays insurance premiums rates? This and dozens of other reasons is why immigration needs to be under control. Why in the name of sanity are non-citizens here illegal not deported at every chance is beyond me. Can we say money? under the guise of PC and folks are falling for it hook line and sinker.
 
WOW!
This thing has really grown legs!:)
I'm following this thread that seems to have good intentions from everyone but lacks substance on correcting the problems in our country.
What are these?:confused:
Lock down the border tighter than a snare drum.
Immediate return of those caught crossing.
Fines/imprisonment for those hiring/renting to ILLEGALS.
Eliminate "wet foot,dry foot" policy.
Eliminate anchor baby policy.
Give all LEOs the authority to arrest/detain anyone not able to show some proof of citizenship.
No social services.
No schooling.
Trace every ILLEGAL student back to his/her ILLEGAL parent(s) and deport them.
Beef up the INS and begin an aggressive policy of making routine checks on businesses/housing/etc to weed out ILLEGALS.
The medical situation is sticky.
I do not advocate letting ANYONE die at the hospital doorstep because they are ILLEGAL.
So...
Does Mexico have any assets here?
If so, utilize funds from those assets to pay for ILLEGAL medical care.
At least until the situation gets back under control.
Does the US provide any aid to Mexico?
If so, deduct ILLEGAL medical costs from that aid.
Divert funds to create a pool of money from which hospitals could recoup their losses.
Patch up the ILLEGAL and send him/her/them home.
Put a 5 year moratorium on ALL immigration.
Study the effects and adjust our immigration policy accordingly.
What do you guys think of using Mexican assets in the US to pay for the help pay for the problems?
It doesn't matter what we say.
We need someone in the White House that's going to address this issue headon.
And the Pols won't have a reason to try if they don't see their constituancy kicking up a real fuss over it.
There is a movement afoot by a few radio stations, one in South Florida, to begin having anti ILLEGAL immigration rallies.
Joyce Kaufman(I forget the station name. WIOD I think, 850 AM) will be broadcasting from DC in mid April.
SHe's also bringing loads of donated shoes to plop in front of the WH as part of the "Hold Their Feet to the Fire" campaign, directed at our reps in Congress.
She's a Latina and PO'd about the ILLEGAL situation and is gathering support to combat it.
It's a step in the right direction.
How many anti-I Im. rallies have you heard about?
This could gather momentum.
When you hire a contractor, tell him that you don't want ILLEGALS working on your property.
He might lie, but you've sent a message.
I told the guy that's coming to resurface my driveway on Friday that I work for the INS and won't tolerate any illegals.
Yeah! I lied. Sue me!
Remember the post I wrote about the Spanish signs in the Chevron station?
Those signs came down within 10 days of my writting to Chevron Consumer Relations Dept.
My point is, if each of us does just a little bit, it could help turn the tide.
Sitting back and either doing nothing, or ridiculing the efforts of others only strengthens the opposition.
Now, how about those Mexican assets?
 
I do not advocate letting ANYONE die at the hospital doorstep because they are ILLEGAL.
So...
Does Mexico have any assets here?
If so, utilize funds from those assets to pay for ILLEGAL medical care.
At least until the situation gets back under control.
Does the US provide any aid to Mexico?
If so, deduct ILLEGAL medical costs from that aid.
So what about the illegals from Nicaragua, El Salvador, Colombia, Ecuador, Brazil, Bermuda, Costa Rica, Peru, Canada, Russia, France, Germany, et al? Just because someone speaks Spanish does not mean he's Mexican. Charging Mexico for the problems caused by the citizen of Panama would not only be counter-productive but it would just plain stupid foreign policy.

Then again stupid foreign policy seems to be the norm for our government.
Remember the post I wrote about the Spanish signs in the Chevron station?
Those signs came down within 10 days of my writting to Chevron Consumer Relations Dept.
And if I lived in the area I would write Chevron and ask to have them put back. I like reading in Spanish.
 
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