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I've already offered some solutions.
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Your so called solutions seem to be pretty much a open border situation except for known criminal elements and how ya gonna know who is who? ahh It don't matter they will be good once in the good ol US of A.


What part of "illegal" don't you understand?
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Not to attack, but I don't think some want to understand. They live in the PC fantasy and not the real world.
That might be a nice way to think about life but it doesn't work no more that the idea of pure communism is a great idea but in actual practice is a complete failure.

Also their task is being to close a great thread and I fear it is happening.
 
I understand it perfectly however I also understand that being illegal does not make one subhuman. Firing on illegals is wrong whether it's a border guard or just a trigger happy "minuteman". A "papers please" society is worse than the situation we have now.

So what was the point of your question?
 
Fer Pete's sake when did anyone in this multipage thread sugest anyone be shot? come on!
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When it was suggested we put Troops on the border, and not Meter Maids.

Of course, putting up a wall won't work if work visas are granted. And student visas.
 
Your so called solutions seem to be pretty much a open border situation except for known criminal elements and how ya gonna know who is who? ahh It don't matter they will be good once in the good ol US of A.

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I would support borders sealed tighter than a dolphin's butt but an open immigration policy is the best solution. Known criminal elements are those that have been arrested here and deported or are known criminals in Mexico or other countries (easily shared information there).
 
I would support borders sealed tighter than a dolphin's butt but an open
immigration policy is the best solution
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I agree with the first half of your statement there but we ( America) have had such a overwhelming influx of immigrants in the last couple of decades we need to slow down and take stock of what is best for everyone involved. Lets not rush to judgment to quickly. yes more but not till we know excatly how many how fast and from where. who is first in line, many things need to be known.
 
eh, I disagree. trying to slow down immigration is not going to stop anyone from getting here any more than gun control stops a criminal from getting a gun

Instead, making it easier for all those people that want to come here to do so and pay their fair share of taxes is going to be more beneficial for the country as a whole. I believe the first thing that needs to be done is the entry process needs to be streamlined. That will make stopping further illegal immigration a lot easier. Trying to stop illegal immigration while it's still the most appealing route is just swimming against the current.
 
believe the first thing that needs to be done is the entry process needs to be streamlined.
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No first is to have the ones here pay taxes, or face deportation, as we all do, not bring more of the same, Lets straighten out what we already have, one way or another, before we create more OK
Maybe they need to go home and return thru proper channels. Pay taxes, stop the freebies, become Americans, or stay away.

No one likes to be used and that is what is happening we ( America) is being used. Doncha think guys/gals laugh at the Stupid Americans over all the freebies they get? Of course they do.

Trying to stop illegal immigration while it's still the most appealing route is just swimming against the current.
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Step one, stop making it so appealing.
 
No first is to have the ones here pay taxes, or face deportation, as we all do not bring more of the same, Lets straighten out what we already have one way or another before we create more OK
Maybe they need to go home and return thru proper channels.
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That's not going to happen. Like I said, swimming against the current. If you deport the ones that won't pay taxes they'll just come right on back illegally because the immigration policy is flawed. Now if you first improve that immigration policy and then deport the ones that are here illegally it's far more likely they'll try to get in through the proper channels because the risk/reward factor will be preferable to attempting another illegal crossing. Plus you can then deport those commiting crimes and while they'll naturally try to get back illegally it'll be a lot easier to find and stop them if all the non-criminals are instead lined up at the front door waiting to come in legally.

You're not going to deport 12 million people. It's just not going to happen without instituting a police state where legal status is checked at random and people are trucked out en masse in convoys of busses. You're not going to deport 12 million people; it's a logisitical nightmare and would cause more problems than it solves.

People forget that if 12 million consumers suddenly left the country it would have an immediate and drastic effect on the economy. Not only would the prices of many things we take for granted start jumping in price but 12 million people is a lot of customers. Small businesses in many areas would go out of business, many people would lose jobs. Those owners of defunct businesses and their former employees would find themselves with less disposable income which would certainly hurt many markets.
Step one, stop making it so appealing.
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Agreed. We just disagree on how to make that happen. Making legal immigration more appealing inherently makes illegal immigration less appealing. Trying to focus on the latter is only going to prolong the problem. Hm..that sounds familiar.
 
On 2nd thought . this is America we speak English go learn or go without.
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No first is to have the ones here pay taxes, or face deportation, as we all do, not bring more of the same, Lets straighten out what we already have, one way or another, before we create more OK
Maybe they need to go home and return thru proper channels.
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For someone with such an exclusive preference for the english laguage, you sure don't write it very well. If there was a requirement that you had to be able to speak the english language as a prerequisite to being licensed to drive or registering to vote, you would be an immobile non-voter.
 
Who has demanded that you learn another language? No one. Why should a private business not be allowed to cater to those that don't speak english? If you don't like it, you don't shop there. If I want to open a store and only care about hispanic customers that's my right and I'll post every sign in Spanish. Don't like it, don't come in my store.
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When that place is Walmart, Home Depot, the grocerie store down the street, etc---I have a problem with it. When my bank has more spanish-speaking people as customers as well as employees than they do English-speaking or even bi-lingual, I have a problem with it. When local businesses are changing the language base to cater to and attract business ($$$) from a source that consists primarily of individuals here ILLEGALLY---yup, you guessed it---I have a problem with it.

Fighting illegal imigration doesn't begin with gov't action---it begins within lidividuals like ourselves, and within the private sector and works its way up to the top. Every law in the country isn't going to be very effective if the private sector keeps making it easy and attractive for them to be here.
 
Red your last answer is a beginning,path to solutions which is what we need. No one is ever gonna agree on every aspect of this colossal problem but sounds like we are working on it. we nearly always need to agree to disagree which is healthy debate.:)

Sorry Bill I am not English although I purpose to speak it I am an American and have savagely butchered the English language. I am not great at my writing skills so ya better read phonics listening to me cause I tend to write as I speak. Which isn't or should I say rarely proper English. I do try to not look to stupid here as I am a gun owner and the bubba gun owner is what the so called anti's love to push in some circles.

I am just a regular plain jane American citizen that loves his country and his freedom and the rights we have and happen to enjoy exchanging ideas with others of the same, even when we don't agree.
 
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I have been in the fight against illegals destroying our country for a few years now. I remember when there were almost no web sites or any large scale discussions by middle class Americans. That has changed. There is now positive movement to stop this illegal deluge. Read what is now happening in Oklahoma. As each day goes by individual states ae recognizing that they must help themselves. We have a federal government that refuses to enforce the federal laws on the books. So what can we do now is to work within our state to get laws passed as in this example in Oklahoma.

http://www.okhouse.gov/okhousemedia/pressroom.aspx?NewsID=1075

We just have to face the bitter reality that bush will not take real action. Looks like the individual States are on their own and must force & embarrass the Fed's to act. The Basic Pilot program they talk about (link above) to verify legal status has been available for quite a while.

What have we come to when it takes a State to force the fed's (ICE & INS) to use a program that makes it easy for employers to check legal status of new hires. The American middle class is just not mad enough....yet!:mad:
 
Of course, putting up a wall won't work if work visas are granted. And student visas
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Say What? That statement is rediculious. We have both here and it works well.

just a trigger happy "minuteman
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Another myth created for fear and P.C.

I guess if we open the borders and make everyone legal that would put an end to illegals? Now we can all hold hands and sing kum-ba-ya, problems solved.

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just a trigger happy "minuteman"
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Redworm, Do you know when and where this happened? Not saying it didn't happen, but I try to follow the Minuteman activities and I do not remember this incident.
 
Something that works and can be done today. Work in your area to make (force) local business to use the Basic Pilot Program that allows them to access Federal data base to determine immigration status. This works. It puts a stop to those bogus SS# that employers like to pretend are real.
 
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Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa
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If we had enforced our borders, if we hadn't allowed any illegals to come into the United States, if we would have enforced our domestic laws so when people violated immigration laws internally, domestically; if we did those things, then we wouldn't have illegal aliens in America to commit the crimes. And that would equate and extrapolate down to 12 fewer murders every day, 13 fewer people that die at the hands of negligent homicide, primarily the victims of drunk drivers, at least 8 little girls that are victims of sex crimes on a daily basis, and that number could be well higher than that because the average predator, perpetrator commits and is convicted on at least 3.6 victims. And that is the ones we find out about. There are many others that are not reported. In fact, they statistically say that there might be only 10 percent that are actually reported. These numbers are small numbers. They are the conservative side of the numbers, not the larger side of the numbers.
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kenny b
 
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