Why don't I want a Mosin Nagant?

Mine's pretty close with S&B 180gr softpoint stuff, and open sights. It's an M44...
Indeed.
My M38 (1946 Izzy) will print about 2" or less with almost any .311" or larger diameter bullet*, 150 gr or heavier, in even just half-baked handloads.


*(I use .3105" to .313" jacketed bullets and up to .316" cast bullets.)
 
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Russian MN91/30 762X54 Cal.
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Powerful, Russian Military Mosin Nagant 91/30 bolt action rifles in 7.62x54 caliber. Each has round, milled receiver, 27 1/4” barrel, 48” overall length. Each comes with its own spike bayonet! Very good to excellent condition and accessories may vary by supplier, please ask your sales rep when ordering.
 
I have no real interest either. I'm a big history nerd who usually geeks out over stuff with historical significance, but i have zero want for a Mosin. I just have no use for it. It's not a gun i would enjoy plinking(i have an AR and 22 LRs for that), i wouldn't use it for hunting as i have more deer rifles than i know what to do with, it's heavy, the recoil sucks. I just don't have a want or need for it. I've had plenty of old Mil Surps, i don't need this one.
 
You don't want one, because you don't want one. Simple really.

I don't like revolvers and have no desire to own one if you gave me one too. Even if its a Colt.
 
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You will want one in 10 years when they are all bought up and going for $500 on Gun Broker and 7.62x54mmR ammo is going for over $1.

That is my only concern really.
 
So, let's say I want one of these rifles. Can I find a useable one at Cabelas? They are plentiful and cheap.
 
So, let's say I want one of these rifles. Can I find a useable one at Cabelas? They are plentiful and cheap.

Absoluetly. I found mine (gun only, no accessories) for $129+tax at Cabela's. I spent about 30 minutes going through the rack, looking for the best one I could. I ended up with a '39 Tula that I'm more than happy with. I've been able to get a ~1" group at 100 yards with it, shooting Wolf Polyformance 148s I bought at Gander Mtn.
 
Local Cabela's manager told me they are getting their Mosins for under $50, and one employee likes to cherry pick them before putting them out. Makes him do it on his lunch hour or he'd waste the whole morning putting 15 rifles in the rack, so he loses one now and then.
 
I don't have one and won't actively try to buy one, but if it gets in front of me I'll probably "take it". Why? Well...

When I lived in VA in the early 90s we would go to big gun shows whenever we weren't deployed. At every single one there were multiple tables that were selling MAK 90s with the thumbhole stocks. For $250 you got a rifle (still vacuumed packed in nasty fish oil that took an hour to clean out *yuck*) and a case of Norinco, steel ammo, and you could buy the aftermarket pistol grip furniture right there for $25.

I and all my buddies would buy one every time (and an extra 1000 rounds), and we'd go to the range, abuse them and shoot them out, and then sell them for $50.

Today those rifles are selling for $1000. It would not surprise me if the Mosin's follow a similar trajectory.
 
When I got my hands on an M44, it seemed a better tool when examined up close rather than pics. And it was ridiculously cheap. It turned out (after all cosmo was removed from the action), to be a solid, accurate enough, dependable rifle. Ultimately, I sold it b/c the 7.62x54 overlapped with my 30-06 and my 8mm Mauser and I was reducing logistics.
I'm not saying re-evaluate, but for me it took a step up in my eyes after I put my paws on one.
As said, at the start of this thread: if you like modern stuff, buy a Ruger, and the experience will be the same.
 
I never had much interest in the Mosin Nagant. In my youth, they were still in Communist service, and very rare on the US market.

With the general fall of Communism in Europe, boat loads have been imported and sold at rock bottom prices (foolish Yankees will buy ANYTHING, if its cheap!).

I got an M38 from an old fellow, along with an SMLE (the WWII one, No.4?), both look new, and I gave $150 for the pair. The M38 I got has the slickest working bolt of any MN I have ever handled. Its actually in the class I consider acceptable, for smoothness of operation.

A few years later, a friend was cleaning out their "closet" and gave me one of the 91/30 long rifles.

They fill a spot in my milsurp collection, but I have no great enthusiasm for the design. It is rugged, nearly indestructible, and reasonably functional, intended to be effectively used, and survive use by barely trained peasant conscripts. Like many Russian / Soviet items, metal finish is good enough (even sometimes excellent) where it needs to be, and rougher, sometimes crude where it has little effect on function.

As far as being a valued military collectable, the MN is still about at the point the Mauser 98 was some 40-50 years ago. Common as, and only slightly more expensive than dirt.

That is changing, as time goes on, and bulk supplies and pricing are drying up. The $75 MN a decade ago is now $150 or better. And, eventually even the bulk surplus ammo will dry up too. As a historical collectable and example of history its a fine item, and currently not too expensive.

If you've got as a truck gun /beater, its fine, rugged, and will do the job. There is a great deal of appeal for that, although, for a little more money, there are still good used rifles with more modern designs available.

The cheap surplus .303 British, 8mm Mauser, and even .30-06 has dried up. Eventually the 7.62x54mm will as well. Quality ammo in that caliber is already about on par with most common commercial cartridges, for cost.

I'm quite certain that when I do finally get tired of my MNs taking up space, I could sell them, and get more dollars for them than what I paid. Actual value of the dollars will probably be about the same....
 
Eventually the 7.62x54mm will as well.
No it wont, eventually, as in the next 30 years maybe. But you must remember those cartridges you listed 8mm Mauser, 30-06, and .303 aren't still in service. But there are atleast 6 countries that still utilize weapons of the 7.62x54R caliber. Russia, (any number of baltic states and former Iron Curtain countries), Ukraine, China (Canada is getting spam cans of Non Corrosive New Production 7.62x54R from Norinco). I dont see 7.62x54R drying up anytime soon.
 
I mentioned this before.

I have an M-39. The two-stage trigger was fantastic for a few years but it seems to have disapeared completely. How could that happen? Right now it's just a ton of slack and the trigger breaks without warning. Someone help me fix this, please.
 
Actually, I haven't seen a cracked stock, pitted, beat up Arisaka in a gun show around here for as little as a buck and a half for many years. Let alone one I would even consider shooting. Believe me, if I had I would have bought it.

I know! Same here! I don't think Tahuana has ever even fired a Mosin Nagant. The surplus 7.62x54mmR ammo in the Russian spam cans is all good quality and shoots well in my rifles.

It cracks me up when people swoon over accuracy when talking about these old milsurps. THEY WEREN'T MEANT TO BE THAT ACCURATE. When you shoot a milsurp, it's an exercise in history. You can't expect them to be tack driving rifles comparable to off the shelf modern Remington 700's et al, they just aren't meant for that kind of shooting.

The Mosin Nagant is a BATTLE RIFLE. Yes, some where used for sniping but for the average soldier shooting mass-produced wartime ammo, if he was getting 3-5 MOA well guess what? That is perfectly acceptable to hit a man-sized target at 300-400 meters all day, and for Private Ivan that is just fine! These guns weren't built to exceptional degrees of accuracy, mainly because there was 0 point to this and during the war it was FAR more important to pump rifles out the door vs. making tack-driving masterpieces.

And now WE come into play. These are surplus battle rifles, perfectly effective in that role they played in WW2, but now some of us complain that these things don't shoot sub-MOA groups???

Give me a break!

People will go one and on and say "my Mosin Nagant isn't as accurate as my Springfield" etc. etc. so that must make it junk? Get ahold of reality and understand what and who these rifles were made for.
 
So many Mosin-Haters!

I started out my milsurp journey with a MN 91-30, ( sold it a few years later - :( nothing special but a nice rifle never-the-less! A couple years later, I have this:
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from Left to Right:
Steyr M95
1953 Polish M44
1942 Mosin Nagant (Laminate)
1943 Enfield Mk 4 No 1
1943 Remington M1903a3 (sporterized; not by me-bought it that way)
Yugo 24/47
1924 Swiss K-11 Carbine
1941 Finnish M39
(Yes collecting milsurps can be addicting and yes I LOVE bolt-guns!)

Also - The so-called "crappy" Mosin Nagant 91-30 did ok against the German's in the battle for Stalingrad - just saying.

BTW - All the things you have read or heard about the M39 is true - The M39 IS a tack-driver!
 
Tahuana has ever even fired a Mosin Nagant.
Tabunua is one of my friends on this forum. He and Denis have helped me out a lot with my Mosin. Tahunua has had about 3 different Mosins if I remember correctly. So what if he has a different opinion than us?
 
Some shooters don't want to own a Mosin Nagant rifle {even though some were manufactured here in the United States and were issued to U.S. soldiers in eastern Russia}, because it's a "commie rifle."

But for some Vietnam war era collectors...it's a must have, because the M91-30 sniper rifle was the sniper rifle for the French and U.S. opposition during the Vietnam conflict; and Mosin iron sighted rifles for some people that worked on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

When you handle a Mosin Nagant rifle, you'll have to experience the feeling that you are holding a piece of history in you're hands; much like an 03-A3 Springfield or an M1 Garand.

Mitchell Mausers has come out with a statement in Shotgun News, saying that the United States has banned the importation of Mosin Nagant rifles from Russia.
 
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