Why 8 bullets simply isnt enough...

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I do.

The majority of the people here are just bashing the guy's scenario of a home invasion in the countrysides of the USA. They act as though since there ain't a population density of tens of thousands per square mile it ain't gonna happen.

Wrong.

Some places in this country border on wild west crap to this day. Rural areas where the only law within an hour's drive is yourself. Areas that are surrounded by high crime rural countryside.

Some places in this country you put something up for sale and you get some lookers who come and see what you got. Later, they come back armed to the teeth, shoot you or threaten to do so, and take what they were looking at. And who is there to stop them? Just yourself.

So let the jokers treat it like a joke. They have homes in beautiful locations, like country church cemeteries.

As those same jokers would say "I'd rather have the necessary tools and not need them than to not have them and need them" or whatever.

But no, a home invasion could never happen in the countryside.

Believe it or not, there are places in this country where when a man conducts his affairs that he tells certain individuals he is "out of business" when they show up asking to do business in order to protect himself and his family.

Nobody likes getting shot. Getting shot with your own gun is even worse.

So of course, to all the city slickers carrying their .25 cal hand biter pistols and polymer pop guns it seems like nonsense. They ain't lived it. Others have and know better. But they don't have the internet to tell you stories, they are to far out in the woods for that.

In the backwoods, you are the first and last line of defense for you and your family.
 
I was going to fisk this but after WA it would be anticlimatic . If you think you need more than a standard 1911 will provide you most likely also buy cases of booze to get laid ... Hey whatever works hand . Speaking for myself i carry some form of a single stack auto , and a reload because ... I have no faith in mags , and a J frame smith is just too dammed fat . If i need more than 5 or 6 rounds then i dont need a pistol . Now Recliner rangers ... I happen to have both the body and clothes with holes in them that the good lord or other designers did not intend , how say you . Ill be willing to speak to anyone else who has been there and feels more ammo would have changed things . In my experiance the ammo in your pistol does not equil competence . I do miss the days tho that all i had to do is put custom grips on my mod 19 to be thought of as a handgun expert, as now all you have to do is get online . LOL .
 
Von,

The thread started as " 8 rounds are not enough because when I spray and pray..the first 3-5 rounds are going to miss.."

It devolved into a home defense scenario and shooting thru walls with 5.56 at numerous tactical evading intruders...

We can all come up with some form of wet dream scenario where we are alone in our split level rancher on 40 acres and the local meth head and her minions decide they want my double stuff oreos...

Could it? sure..it could, but professing to analyze it as a tactical response is silly.

I have worked hard to integrate food references today. :P
 
JohnH,
If i may make a suggestion, move to another place. I live in WV and i never see any gang activity except for seeing graffiti every so often. If you are as worried as you are about your safety from gangs then another location might be more suitable for you. Good luck to you.
 
Some places in this country border on wild west crap to this day. Rural areas where the only law within an hour's drive is yourself. Areas that are surrounded by high crime rural countryside.
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care to tell us where?

WildsowecanavoiditAlaska ™
 
yeah..'working' thru lunch today..hahah

anyway...i dont think anyone will debate that more is prob better most of the time..and we'd all love to carry the biggest bestest thing we can get away with in our daily lives...

and yes..in a multiple BG scenario...and with a home invasion, yes there are likely more than 1...I will use all my tacticool stuff, throwing on armor and my chest rig that is color coordinated to my AK with my Gucci sling....

But its really, honestly, tell the truth...just not that likely. If it is..where you live..then you DO need to think about moving.

I have done the BIG city...the medium city...and the farm...and stuff happens everywhere all the time...I cant control when where or how...but i can take a few common sense precautions...
 
Von, if that is the case then carry to your situation. However, I disagree with the OP comments that 8-rounds isnt enough, in a generalized statement.
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Well, depending on the situation eight rounds might be seven to many or it could be thousands to few.

He just started talking about home invasions in the countryside and I tried to respond with something other than bashing, criticism of his over generalized statement, and jokes. Seems like there is to much of that in tactics and training these days.

We can all come up with some form of wet dream scenario where we are alone in our split level rancher on 40 acres and the local meth head and her minions decide they want my double stuff oreos...
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Why would that be a "wet dream" scenario for you? I find the thought quite terrifying. The double stuff oreo joke was good...lol...but it ain't my dream SD scenario. No SD scenario is a dream, more like the beginning of a nightmare to me.


care to tell us where?
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Sure, just because you seem to think these places don't exist, here's a couple:

Beltrami county MN

St. Louis county MN

Hickman county TN

Anywhere there is a burgeoning meth problem would be a good start on a list of places to avoid. Personally, I've been to the above listed, and lived in both MN locations and near the TN location. On my own property, I wouldn't be without a rifle or at the very least, a shotgun in the rural parts.

Instead of trying to discredit me and the OP, why don't you contribute something a little more constructive in here?

Or you could always go back to doing what you always do, charging MSRP.:p
 
ut in these rural parts of America, there are some strange characters and you never know their intentions. Many stories are abound of local gangs ans serial killers storming a farmer's house.
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Oh really? And when asked to provide examples of local gangs and serial killers storming a farmer's house, you provide:

Here is my example Wildalaska and that is the BTK killer who murdered some 10 people randomly over the course of several years. I encourage you to read that article a few times so you can grasp the concept.

Dennis Rader is but one example, I have quite a few others.
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Huh? Weren't his victims primarily in suburban Wichita? When did the BTK killer "storm a farmer's house?"
 
This is what spray and pray gets you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd1MH1FWwhU

The deputy fired 39 .40 cal rounds and struck the suspect one insignificant time in the abdomen before the suspect killed him.

Watch almost any police gunfighting video and you will see or hear, the police officer shoot the pistol as fast as he can pull the trigger, most of the time missing badly.

A man with only eight rounds in his gun may spend a little more time training and thinking how to use those eight rounds wisely. He'll also practice his reloads thoroughly and may carry a second gun.

In the end, tactics and training are more important than capacity.
 
VonFireball I live so dammed rural that there is not a stop light in the entire dammed county , and i stand by my post . My carry is no different here than in Denver . I live the " wild west " all the time , and in spite of some folk's ideas i wont and dont get into gunfights every day . I have found some of the phantom meth labs in the infmous abandoned farmsted , and i have called them in to local LE . The " wild west " never was so wild , and today it still is not . 30 min is optimistic on most 911 calls i would make , but its pull up your big boy shorts and deal with it . Out here in the ( as you choose to put it ) "Wild West" we dont have gangs , even our children dont put up with gangs . Just why do you suspect this is the case ? If you need a clue our folks here PARENT .

Dont speak for me hand . I know where my kids , and now my grandkids are . You ( most likely ) thro no intent opened a whole can of worms . And if you will just stfu on rural politics , or provide any credibility then its no harm no fowel . However unless and untill you can show via yourself how imporntent it is to have an m60 ( ok i am joking on that ) Have whatever you want to carry. then please dont lecture me .

Sorry to all but ill post all of it because it saves time

Some places in this country border on wild west crap to this day. Rural areas where the only law within an hour's drive is yourself. Areas that are surrounded by high crime rural countryside.
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Perhaps zero bullets is your answer

JohnH1963 said:
Remember Detective Colombo? He never packed a weapon and arrested his suspects without the need for violence or pistols.
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I noticed this post in this thread that was authored by the OP.

I don't believe Colombo would need multiple rounds to stop a gang of meth heads, he could easily out wit them.

Colombo also made me think of Marshall McCloud he managed to deal with all sorts of miscreants with his Single Action Army, on the mean streets of New York City no less.

What about Starsky and Hutch, did they need high capacity handguns? I don't think so. You should watch all the old episodes and I'm certain you will gain the 'tactical' information for dealing with gang members you require. Maybe you could develop your own local confidential informant, much like Huggy Bear and he could keep you informed on the gangs movement and plans.

You should also consider the marksmanship skills displayed from men like Steve McGarrett, Jim Rockford and Manix, did the need more than a snub-nose .38 to solve 'tactical' situations? I don't think so.

If you still really feel you still need to learn 'tactical' suppressive fire techniques, might I suggest the A-team, they were masters at it. Never even had to kill anyone either, so great was their 'tactical' suppressive fire ability.
 
...high crime rural countryside.
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LOL. Yeeessss. Those words "high crime" and "rural" go together a lot. What, with all the Bloods and Crips buyin' up the cheap farm houses now with real estate so low and all. Please.
 
i love this thread

I know this is waaaaaaay back in the thread, but I had to address this.

Kern County, California has a gang unit that is indeed very active. Their gang units can be seen on the streets of Bakersfield. You wouldnt believe places like Fresno, Bakersfield or Salinas have gangs. These are rural areas and very spread out where you can drive for many miles and not see a soul.
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Fresno, Bakersfield, and Salinas are hardly what you'd call "rural" areas. Fresno is the county seat of Fresno county (not in Kern County) and has a population of 900k. Bakersfield (which is located in Kern County) has a metro population of 700k. Salinas is the county seat of Monterey County (also not Kern County) and has a population of 150k, which while not huge, hardly qualifies as "rural". While these areas do have rural areas around them, it's not a surprise to anyone who's familiar wit California that a city like Bakertucky and Fresno would have gang problems, mostly because they're in relatively well populated areas with the right demographics for high crime.
 
And if you will just stfu on rural politics , or provide any credibility then its no harm no fowel .
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Credibility?

Cass county (pop approx 27,000):

"May township (Cass county), MN, violent crime, on a scale from 1 (low crime) to 10, is 7. Violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. The US average is 3."

http://www.bestplaces.net/city/May_township_(Cass_county)-Minnesota.aspx

Would you like some more? Or do you want me to let you live on in a fantasy land?

http://www.fedstats.gov/mapstats/crime/county/27021.html

Rape, auto theft, and burglaries are all way up above the average to the point of being commonplace.

http://www.clrsearch.com/RSS/Demographics/MN/Cass_Lake/Crime_Statistics

These areas have crime rates much higher, almost double the national average in many cases.

Those words "high crime" and "rural" go together a lot
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Yeah, some places they sure seem to, don't they?

Now that I learned you something........
 
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