Why 8 bullets simply isnt enough...

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Here is my example Wildalaska and that is the BTK killer who murdered some 10 people randomly over the course of several years.

So much for the hordes of Zombies. One serial killer does not the Army of Darkness make.

Dennis Rader is but one example, I have quite a few others. This link is to Google news which shows over 10000 news articles listed under the search term "home invasion" **for the last month alone**:

I'm still waiting for the hordes of zombies, not dopers invading each other for dope:rolleyes:

Now do you think this topic is so silly? If you ever have any doubts about owning a firearm or thinking you have too many, then just take a look at the missing persons website. Some of those guys on there are pretty bulky, but they disappeared and their bodies were never found.

Bwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahahahahahah...Son I've been up on the Mother Ship getting probed in you know where....all the guns in the world wont help you when Grizhnak Slobberbobber of the Zarkon Federation puts the mind meld on ya and transports ya up for study.....:p

WildheylookboysandgirlsoutsideoverthererealityAlaska TM
 
JohnH,
You sarted off talking about gangs and such, then travelled into talking about the BTK guy. If you can't hit Dennis Rader (a large fella) with eight shots then you need to practice or shouldn't be shooting. You also started this thread talking about defending in public (or so it seemed) then in your home. If your worried about # or rounds then get a cheap HD shotgun with 00 buck and you will have plenty of projectiles going towards the BG. I think this thread should die about NOW.
 
Can't resist replying to this one, since I know someone who was in exactly this type of situation and acted in the way the great majority of posters have recommended above.

It wasn't a home invasion but at a restaurant. Two bad guys came in (a third one was already there acting as look-out and a fourth was in a car outside) and started making a ruckus. My mate stayed calm and quiet until they started shooting at the ceiling, which was when he decided enough was enough. He pulled his 1911 .45, shot the closest target dead and shot big holes in the second target before #2 was helped by target #3, also shot by now, out the door in a hurry at which point my mate reckoned the threat was over and the bad guys drove off.

No spray and pray, no stray bullets. Calm, decisive action taking out one target at a time until the threat was over. The "tactical" movements of the bad guys were to haul a** and get the heck outta there, away from this madman.

I asked him later if he would consider carrying something with a larger capacity after what had happened, but he just smiled and said "No, I reload real fast..."

The only thing I can find on the net corroberating the story is the very cleaned up version at:

http://www.tzaffairs.org/?m=200409

near the bottom, under "crime". In reality, of course, the cops got there after it was all over, although they did chase them across town and into a ditch, as far as I know.
 
Addendum:

So, silly as this thread is and unlikely as the scenario may be depending on where you are in the world; according to the only incident I have ever been privy to, the OPs recommendations to maximise capacity and "spray and pray" (or do you "prey" before spraying?) seem NOT to be the conventional wisdom and certainly were not how THIS incident played out with a happy ending for all but the BGs.

Having said that, I carry 14+1, but I don't shoot as well as he does...
 
If I "spray and pray" and my first 5 shots miss, I deserve to die because I haven't trained enough.

No wonder you need more than 8 rounds.

My main carry weapon holds 10+1. If that isn't enough, I shouldn't be where I am.

If I need more than 8, I'll pick up a shotgun.

And that's my main complaint about made up scenarios. You can fabricate something where 8 or 16 or even 30 isn't enough.

Next thing is you'll be advocating for all of us to be carrying a BAR with a belt of ammo.
 
I don't know, 8rds and some spare mags worked out for Sgt. York. I doubt anyone here is going to face what he did anytime soon.

Like so many other things in life, it's not about what you've got, but what you can do with it.
 
I like this part:

start moving in a tactical manner
:D

How is someone going to move in a tactical manner in my house? They don't know where anything is, especially when they're getting lit up with 00 buck from an angle they've got no idea where it's coming from.

This thread is lame.
 
The lowest capacity firearm I every carry by itself has 13+1 of .45. I keep another fully loaded magazine with me as well. Not because I expect to go through 14 rounds of .45, but because you never know when a magazine change is what's needed to fix a malfunctioning handgun.

Edit: I also carry 2 guns at once a lot though, but once again, that's not a capacity fear and is more of "Ok if I can't get to the primary here's the secondary.
 
There are usually 2 to 3 hostile characters
And, from what I've read, they will likely be at knife-fight distances. I've never heard of anyone being mugged from 25 yards away.

I'd agree that more ammo is probably better, but I wouldn't sell my 1911 just yet. (That said, I have an M&P 9 compact for carry--still waiting for my sheriff to hold the CCW class)

I can believe missing under stress past 15 yards--like if you're taking fire. I've been in a gun fight before, but it was at much longer ranges.(Afghanistan 2004)
It's hard to make hits under stress and at distance. Not so hard at 3-7yds, IMHO.
 
John H, don't listen to all these nuckelheads, there are situations where you may need more firepower from your handgun. For instance, look at what happened in Waco, all the officers surrounded the house and then started to 'spray and pray' before they went in (I'm not saying that what happened in Waco was the right way to do it).

Waco

In combat it's called 'COVER FIRE'. All these city folks with civilian CCW training and that have never been in combat (except in their local McDonalds) have no idea what combat is like. In your house you would use your 1911 to fight your way to the gun safe so you could grab your AR-15 with 100 round drum (or equivalent). If you had to move through a clearing with several people firing at you, you would have to run while at the same time shooting, not taking precise aim at each guy, but rather shooting in the general direction. What that does is stop them from shooting and gets them to find cover for the few seconds you are running to your gun safe.

Urban combat is not like rural combat at all, you don't have to worry about rounds overpenetrating or hitting civillans, even more so in a wooded part of the country where all your rounds will hit trees in a hundred yards or so.

There are a million tactical situations and just because we've never been in one doesn't mean it won't happen. The new big threat that the police are training for is terrist attacks with guns here on American soil, all starting to shoot at the same time. I can see this threat being real in a few years after the government bans most of our weapons, then we may need tactics like this to survive. It will be just you and your seven round handgun trying to defend fellow citizens from a mob of terrorists.

I agree aiming and taking out one bad guy after another while they stand still and take it is the ideal situation, but it rarely happens like that. Just ask the guys in Vietnam how many of them sprayed and prayed vs. only shooting nice and calmly when they saw a bad guy.

Also keep in mind the Armed forces is looking for a new handgun, one besides the ineffective 9mm. They are thinking of going back to the 45 ACP or at the very minimum the .40, and their requirements is that the guns must have a MINIMUM of 10 round capacity. That eliminates most of the 1911s out there on the market chambered in 45 ACP.

Spray and Pray: It's called COVER FIRE, and we are talking rural combat againt a bunch of combatants, not McDonald'S civilian warfare! Don't worry, most city people can't even comprehend life in the country.
 
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From the Official Mall Ninja Combat Arms Handbook

Chapter 33: SPRAY & PRAY - The in-home use of suppressive fire against multiple armed insurgents.:eek:
 
Shot placement is a great idea, but try it against 3 mobile targets that are tactically evading you. You wont get a hit...

Don't worry you can barrow my trauma plate that I duct tape to my back.

C'mon please tell me you are joking please. If not please stop watching television and movies, oh and video games, no more.
 
COVER FIRE implies I have others with me and that I am covering their movement correct? Lets assume that yes, I am alone in a rural area..and yes I grew up in farm country...I still will not 'spray and pray'. 8 rds or 20 of 9mm or 5.56..does not matter if you are throwing them away.

To quote another forum sig line " I command all those who died from 9mm to RISE! RISE! I say!"

My on-target 9mm rds will still stop a threat faster than you throwing away the first 3-5 rounds as 'cover fire' regardless of the caliber.

Even when the zombies come and invade my local Arby's for their delicious horsey sauce...Me and the local boys will be bounding, communicating and putting lead on target.

Lets be done with this one shall we?
 
Please stop. I need to catch my breath.....

OK. I'm off the floor now.
I know one thing.
Wherever the OP is, I don't want to be anywhere near there. It sounds waaaaay too dangerous. Assailants who move tactically and victims (I use that term loosely) who spray rounds.
You know there IS a country where even girls out on dates will carry an M16 like they do a purse. A country where there is a REAL need to be that well armed in everyday life.
How's your Hebrew?
 
Every few months, it is reported that the military will replace the 9mm for all and then they order 50,000 more M9s.

As far as Zombies at home, keep a supply of frozen brains in the house, throw them in front as a diversion and then make your escape to your armored SUV and head for the surivalist enclave and wait to repopulate the earth.
 
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