Why 8 bullets simply isnt enough...

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David Armstrong said:
If you want to give me a specific I can see what I can work up on it.

Well, I looked around at Gun Cite and did a few searches. I've never been able to find reliable data on how many shots are really fired on average, what the standard deviation might be... that sort of thing.



Creature said:
Clearly you have never walked a step in my shoes.

I was using the ;) and :rolleyes: to show the silliness of questioning your carry methods based on the premise of the OP. I was not intending to question your choices. To the contrary.:o:):o
 
The usual advice on this website is to keep firing until the threat has been eliminated. That sounds like the right advice, good for public relations, politically correct and keeps the police administrators out of trouble

However, I fail to see how one can so quickly guage if the threat has been eliminated. This decision making needs to be made in a matter of milliseconds which cannot be possibly done.

So lets go by the standard advice of the threat being eliminated. I fire one bullet into the target's chest and then lower my weapon to see if the threat has been eliminated and wait a few seconds? Do I fire 2-3 bullets and wait? Is the threat being eliminated when the target falls to the ground or when they drop their weapon or when they stop moving???

If you think about the ole conventional wisdom on the site of the threat being eliminated, you cant easily tell if it truly has been eliminated.

The truth is that most guys would fire a volley into the threat. They would probably fire 3-4 or more and especially if the threat is close by in their house, charging at them or holding a pistol pointed at them. Some of the shots might miss while the target is in motion or may not **seem** to be effective so another volley of fire continues with another 3-4 shots.

How do these situations usually go down? On videos of gunfights, I never see the police or anyone do a simple double-tap and the threat is eliminated. Usually there is a lot of rounds expended.
 
How do these situations usually go down? On videos of gunfights, I never see the police or anyone do a simple double-tap and the threat is eliminated. Usually there is a lot of rounds expended.

John, The human body has a mass of good things in it that cause death, or at least a slow down of aggression, when hit by bullets.

Unfortunately most of these organs and arteries do not cause this death, or even any signs of being hit, right away.

So in reality, a close up attacker has to be basically shot to the ground!

A lucky hit (a lot of luck in hitting a target four plus inches of brain, and/or a hit on the top 4" of spine) into the CNS is required to switch off the body's computer, and then an instant collapse.
Even a hollow point hit that cuts a major artery in half, can take up to a minute to drop the blood pressure to a level to cause cease and desist.

Sixty seconds is a big slice (slice? no pun intended) of time for a close up attacker armed with, for instant a knife, to slice you and dice you.

You can fire 5 or 6 rounds in around 2 seconds! One attacker, leaves you a further supply of ten rounds or so for a brother, or close associate of this now dead or dieing criminal, to engage you. It could happen, even though statistically it is not very likely.
How does this sound, RULES OF A GUN FIGHT... There are no rules, maybe one, have a gun!

Starting out with 16 in the pistol seems like a nice security blanket to me, even if, like the majority of CCW pistol toter's, we carry and never fire our weapons in anger, ever.
 
Wow what a thread

Wish I had gotten in on it earlier.

If so I would have told everyone how chickens prevent crime.

It has been proven statisitcaly that the more chickens per capita the less crime there is.

But since I am only joining now I will not share that fact that chickens prevent crime.

As for "spraying and praying", John are you talking about cover fire, because cover fire is aimed, at least that is what Uncle Sam taught me. And I have provided cover fire on one occasion, and I was aiming for the window the shots were coming from, but then again I was in a hummv with a crate of ammo at my feet with no fear of running out that hot late morning.

Ammo is cheap, life is expensive.
 
I too am truly sad to have missed out on such a great thread in progress. :D

Bwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahahahahahah...Son I've been up on the Mother Ship getting probed in you know where....all the guns in the world wont help you when Grizhnak Slobberbobber of the Zarkon Federation puts the mind meld on ya and transports ya up for study.....

WA, you kill me, man! Thank you for such a good belly laugh on such an otherwise monday-ish morning!

OP, if 8 ain't enough you're in a world of doo-doo. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

BTW, though, suppressive fire = you go to jail. No kidding! As a civilian, there is no suppressive fire. There is only you firing in response to a direct threat to your life directly at the source of that threat. And even that may still get you sued in civil court. Anything beyond that and you'll do the criminal court thing. Best to avoid that...
 
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At no time in my life did I think 5 or 6 rounds a good thing! We do not carry car insurance because we want to have a crash! We carry 15 and one in a Glock 19, because we can!
And that is the key. There is a world of difference between what one can do, what one wants to do, and what one needs to do. Way too often we confuse "want" or "can" with "need." More is not always better, sometimes it is just more.
 
It has been proven statisitcaly that the more chickens per capita the less crime there is.
Only someone who knows nothing about statistics and/or theoretical research would make such a statement. That is the problem with many of these discussions, too many people trying to discuss with authority something they obviously know nothing about.
 
To Quote Steve Martian

Well Exsuce Me.

Mr. Armstrong Just trying to make a joke in the same vein of this famous American philospher.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
-Mark Twain
 
:rolleyes:

There are so many reasons to close this thread.... where do I start?

First and foremost, a lot of this is way too close to "kill 'em all & let God sort 'em out", and that ain't a good thing. See my sig line.

Second, it's getting way too personal.

And third, it's getting way too ridiculous.

Let's get back to some serious tactics and training issues... please!

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