Why 8 bullets simply isnt enough...

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I can't speak for anyone else but I'm REALLY enjoying this thread. I keep coming back to it. Its really brightening up a wet and miserable day.
 
It will be just you and your seven round handgun trying to defend fellow citizens from a mob of terrorists.
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I'm sorry, but that is so funny it deserves to be repeated.
For instance, look at what happened in Waco, all the officers surrounded the house and then started to 'spray and pray' before they went in
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And look how well that worked out!
Don't worry, most city people can't even comprehend life in the country.
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And apparently some people that live in the country can't quite get a grip on the life either.
 
Many of you think and believe that just one shot from your pistol will stop someone. However, a determined enemy might survive multiple shots from a rifle and still have the power to kill you.

There is a mistaken impression that the "double-tap" to the chest will definately stop someone.

You can go back through the archives of Medal of Honor winners and see how many have survived multiple shots, but still had the power to kill.

There have been many well documented fire fights between officers and criminals where the criminals seemed to survive multiple hits from powerful pistol calibers. The Trooper Coates story is one where 6 full house 357 magnum rounds was not enough to stop.

For home defense, high capacity magazines and assault rifles seems like overkill to the casual observer that doesnt know better. However, someone who has entered your house on hostile terms is going to be a determined force. Those who enter a house are either truely ruthless or plain stupid. You are not going to stop the ruthless and the stupid with a few rounds.

So for that determined force, I can assure you that a six shot revolver will not be waiting for them in their path.
 
You are not going to stop the ruthless and the stupid with a few rounds.
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How about 15 .32 cal pellets to the chest, face, neck? 00 Buck will stop an attacker. If he's got friends, they can meet the same fate.
 
agreed on that point..I would argue that most on this board train to shoot until the threat is removed. Nobody on this board would ever assume the elusive "one shot stop" is in their hands. Which is why "we" train using hammer/double taps whatever you want to call them..center of mass and then ...if needed...more. It is a constant OODA loop of fighting, assess, scan and top off.

regardless of your philosphy on it...throwing rounds as cover fire/spray is bad business.

A bump in the night...or a loud crash will be met with 8 of .45 or 17 of 9 or 30 of 5.56 or maybe even 7.62...heck...if its Wednesday it may be 00 buck...Thursdays are reserved for the Sammy Sosa special edition.
 
Awww come on now.

I bet even a medium sized city not only gets more home invasions but live under that threat on a daily basis than almost any rural area that you can name. If there's any group that need to be prepared for a home invasion, its us city dwellers. Hell, its happened at least three times within a five block radius of my house, with one fatality, and I don't even live in a really bad neighborhood!
Also, your point that people have been known to carry on fighting even after being hit multiple times only strengthens the case for a thoughtful weapons choice AND shot placement.
 
JohnH, buddy, you got to make up your mind. Are you preparing for a mob of terrorists at your home in Montana or preparing to repel gangsters during your daily trot through the urban jungle. See, http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324251 ?


I don't think anybody will argue that less ammo is better. The question is what are the trade-offs. Many of us balance factors of size, weight, capacity, and caliber. Given what most of us do for a living, 8 rounds is a reasonable compromise. There are no guarantees, of course.
 
I don't think anyone is arguing about "one hit stops" but so far you have suggested covering fire against roving gangs of serial killers or other unknown homicidal gangs. I mean if you want to walk around like you are on patrol in Iraq go for it but I really doubt the local population (that that is not roving gangs of serial killers and homicdal manics) are probably going to try to introduce you to the law enforcement types.

Edited to add: Okay I reread the post and realized that you are talking about roving gangs and a individual serial killers rushing homes. Not quite what I thought but still....
 
In that previous thread about discussing gangs, there is the mistaken impression that I was speaking about an urban area. The simple truth is that many gangs evolve in rural areas as well.

Kern County, California has a gang unit that is indeed very active. Their gang units can be seen on the streets of Bakersfield. You wouldnt believe places like Fresno, Bakersfield or Salinas have gangs. These are rural areas and very spread out where you can drive for many miles and not see a soul.

I wouldnt discount the threats that can appear in rural areas. I would argue that there are more threats from gangs in rural areas then there are in urban areas.

I was once at a movie theatre in Alexandria, LA which you wouldnt think would be an area of gang violence. However, there appeared to me to be an overabundance of gang members. In fact, the local police had several units outside and one of the officers had told me and my buddy to simply leave as we didnt fit the crowd.

Many times when people are talking about violence and the need for weapons, they are usually talking about these rural areas where anything can happen and often does...
 
Many of you think and believe that just one shot from your pistol will stop someone. However, a determined enemy might survive multiple shots from a rifle and still have the power to kill you.
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80% of those shot with a handgun will survive their wounds.


The simple truth is that many gangs evolve in rural areas as well.
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Yep. The MN meth house situation. They could be your neighbors. I've been there.

I wouldnt discount the threats that can appear in rural areas. I would argue that there are more threats from gangs in rural areas then there are in urban areas.
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I've always said that there are crazies in the city, but there are bigger crazies in the country. Like the guy with the "anti-DNR" sign hung above his mailbox (next to the torpedo) out in the styx. Ask him if you can hunt on his land at your own risk.

Many times when people are talking about violence and the need for weapons, they are usually talking about these rural areas where anything can happen and often does...
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Yeah, and the police aren't minutes away. More like a Sheriff an hour away on a coffee break.

I'd go with the FN FAL/Double stack 1911 in your situation. Keep a 12 gauge handy to boot.

Others take it as a joke until they get a taste of "Deliverance" out in the country. That's when the funny jokes end.

Don't take it personally though, this is tactics and training and only about 50% of the people here take this forum sub section seriously at all.
 
Don't take it personally though, this is tactics and training and only about 50% of the people here take this forum sub section seriously at all.
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Thats because only 50% of the threads reflect earthly reality :D

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If you have a squad of gangsters performing battle drill 1A on your house you have made some seriously bad decisions and ticked off the wrong people.

This reminds me of the home invasion threads which seem to talk more about hit men than burglars.
 
Thats because only 50% of the threads reflect earthly reality
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Response deleted to protect your feelings.:D


If you have a squad of gangsters performing battle drill 1A on your house you have made some seriously bad decisions and ticked off the wrong people.
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Yeah, like not pulling a pre-emptive strike on the meth heads moving in next door.
 
so gangs are practicing tactical manuvers huh? that explains all the heavy drug use! get a job man
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You apparantly missed the one about the gangs sending their members to enlist? Really interesting, they enlist, government trains them on all sorts of weapons, gives them a playground to apply what they've learned, then sends them home to teach the other gang members their new founds wisdom. The best part, they pay them while they're at it!

Their was a 60 minute piece (or one of those investigative news shows) about it.
 
I just *love* you people

Zombies, serial killers, ninja gangbangers... I *love* it!
If I pull my gun on someone, it's damn straight that I'm not going to be producing "cover fire" or the "spray and pray" method. I'm going to hit what I'm aiming at! The point is not to pull a gun out and make them run away. Never pull a gun unless you're willing to kill the person you pulled it out for!
Cover fire is used in tactical military operations, yes, when people need to move from point A to point B without too big a worry about the people shooting back because they're going to be under cover!
I live in Wyoming, and I've never heard of a farmer being attacked by a roving herd of zombieserial killer, ninja gangbangers. Dennis Radar, for that comment, had no ninja skills, was a serial killer, yes, not a zombie and he typically went after smallish women one-on-one.
Even in the most rural parts of our fine country, the chances of you running into this situation is slim to none. Unless, of course, you're playing a video game in said rural parts.
 
All you can try to dois take more accurate shots then the assailant.
I have a revolver..so instead of 8 I have 5 LOL goodluck to me!!
 
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