stagpanther
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I've started producing quite a pile of spent targets--and the idea of a "Open Green Class" came to me--1 shot on each of all the targets (15 total). Whaddaya think?
Who Is Going to Join Me? 22LR Know Your Skills Challenge
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Darn you for posting this Stag, I wasted half the afternoon testing various 22 ammo and these were my best
Kidd 22, Weaver T 24 scope, Magpull bipod
SK pistol Match Special - 85
Lapua Midas + - 75
borderline shots with P beside them were checked with scoring plug
Runners up were CCI Std Velocity and SK Rifle Match
Now I need to get my CZ 52 down there and see how it does
oh an interesting side note was that while shooting I felt something on my left foot and ankle, looking under the bench there was a 4 foot blacksnake headed for the bushes. Startled the you know what out of me. Had to take a Dr Pepper break and change my underoos
Kidd 22, Weaver T 24 scope, Magpull bipod
SK pistol Match Special - 85
Lapua Midas + - 75
borderline shots with P beside them were checked with scoring plug
Runners up were CCI Std Velocity and SK Rifle Match
Now I need to get my CZ 52 down there and see how it does
oh an interesting side note was that while shooting I felt something on my left foot and ankle, looking under the bench there was a 4 foot blacksnake headed for the bushes. Startled the you know what out of me. Had to take a Dr Pepper break and change my underoos
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not to derail but here is the same rifle doing ten shot groups at A 23 targets. The X ring is .39 inch, the 10 ring is .89 inch, also a pic looking downrange from the bench to the berm. This is our 50 yard range, primarily used by the Bullseye Pistol shooter but I like it for .22 practice
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Nice shooting houndog! I hope I can shoot that well if I ever get my hands on a 22lr. Maybe in about two weeks.
Blame revolver guy for the idea.
Blame revolver guy for the idea.
It ain't me Stag it's the rifle. Darn thing likes almost every flavor SK ammo and will shoot $3 a box CCI Std Vel almost as well. Hates everything made by Eley or RWS. Gotta love a cheap date.
I was shooting some Fiocchi Winter Match today. That is some weird stuff if you ever get ahold of any, most shots are very accurate except every 4th or 5th shot is a flyer out in la la land. It has a completely different sound compared to every other .22 LR ammo I have ever shot. Almost sounds like a pistol, a very loud popping sound. Anyway I nailed 4 of the 5 top row targets and the 5th was a flyer completely out of the circle. I was so disgusted I tossed the target in the trash. The score would have been over 100 even with the flyer but that flyer just ripped my rear end outta the frame
I was shooting some Fiocchi Winter Match today. That is some weird stuff if you ever get ahold of any, most shots are very accurate except every 4th or 5th shot is a flyer out in la la land. It has a completely different sound compared to every other .22 LR ammo I have ever shot. Almost sounds like a pistol, a very loud popping sound. Anyway I nailed 4 of the 5 top row targets and the 5th was a flyer completely out of the circle. I was so disgusted I tossed the target in the trash. The score would have been over 100 even with the flyer but that flyer just ripped my rear end outta the frame
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You kinda confirmed that a 22lr can hang competitively with a 17 hmr at close range, that must be some awesome shooting to nearly sweep that top row! I've only managed to get two of them with the 17 hmr.
22's are just like centerfires, #1 factor is a good barrel and #2 is a smooth trigger Then you have to find ammo it likes. Use your Hornady comparator on various brands of 22LR. You will be surprised at the differences. Just like a centerfire you will find a "jump" you barrel likes. That Kidd likes a BTO of .761 to .765
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R100 CCI Std Vel Blazer SK+ (new)
BTO 0.758 0.755 0.775 0.771
0.758 0.767 0.786 0.768
0.758 0.761 0.783 0.764
0.758 0.758 0.777 0.768
0.758 0.756 0.776 0.764
0.756 0.763 0.780 0.768
0.758 0.762 0.776 0.767
0.757 0.761 0.776 0.767
0.756 0.761 0.787 0.770
0.757 0.758 0.781 0.766
0.755 0.761 0.795 0.767
0.756 0.762 0.779 0.767
0.758 0.763 0.781 0.769
0.757 0.761 0.785 0.771
0.757 0.764 0.786 0.767
Average 0.757 0.761 0.782 0.768
high 0.758 0.767 0.795 0.771
low 0.755 0.755 0.776 0.764
spread 0.003 0.012 0.019 0.007
std dev 0.001 0.003 0.006 0.002
Eley Tgt Eley Tenex Eley Match OSP Lapua Midas +
BTO 0.768 0.752 0.756 0.766
0.771 0.753 0.753 0.765
0.776 0.752 0.757 0.764
0.771 0.751 0.752 0.765
0.766 0.752 0.751 0.765
0.769 0.753 0.752 0.766
0.765 0.753 0.753 0.766
0.764 0.752 0.754 0.766
0.775 0.752 0.754 0.764
0.771 0.751 0.755 0.764
0.768 0.752 0.753 0.765
0.773 0.752 0.754 0.766
0.770 0.753 0.754 0.765
0.768 0.753 0.755 0.766
0.774 0.753
Average 0.770 0.752 0.754 0.765
high 0.776 0.753 0.757 0.766
low 0.764 0.751 0.751 0.764
spread 0.012 0.002 0.006 0.002
std dev 0.004 0.001 0.002 0.001
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SK Std (old) Fed Ultra Match Fed GM match SK Pistol Match Sp
0.768 0.757 0.767 0.765
0.765 0.757 0.767 0.765
0.762 0.756 0.766 0.765
0.773 0.756 0.769 0.765
0.772 0.758 0.769 0.765
0.762 0.759 0.766 0.765
0.766 0.758 0.767 0.765
0.761 0.757 0.769 0.765
0.768 0.759 0.769 0.765
0.772 0.759 0.768 0.766
0.763 0.759 0.766 0.765
0.762 0.757 0.769 0.765
0.767 0.758 0.768 0.767
0.766 0.758 0.767 0.765
0.768 0.757 0.769 0.765
0.766 0.758 0.768 0.765
0.773 0.759 0.769 0.767
0.761 0.756 0.766 0.765
0.012 0.003 0.003 0.002
0.004 0.001 0.001 0.001
Lapua Center X Lapua Polar SK Tgt Match Pistol
0.764 0.760 0.763
0.765 0.760 0.763
0.767 0.761 0.764
0.765 0.760 0.763
0.765 0.759 0.764
0.764 0.759 0.764
0.764 0.760 0.763
0.768 0.760 0.763
0.763 0.761 0.764
0.762 0.761 0.763
0.768 0.760 0.764
0.767 0.761 0.764
0.765 0.761 0.761
0.765 0.758 0.761
0.765 0.760 0.763
0.768 0.761 0.764
0.762 0.758 0.761
0.006 0.003 0.003
0.002 0.001 0.001
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stagpanther
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That Kidd rifle looks like a heck of a rifle--and reasonably priced for something that is entirely custom made. Looks like I'm pretty much out of luck finding good ammo--I did find some hunting lead ammo and a couple of hollow points.
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houndddawg--what is "BTO"--is that a measure of the cartridge's base to ogive? Do competitive shooters pull bullets and set them themselves?
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The .22lr headspaces off the chamber side of the cartridge rim. Here was my progress down the rabbit hole of amateur .22lr accuracy. I would first sort ammo by weight to .1 grain spread, sort rim thickness with Hornady rim thickness gauge, form ogive to same length using Hornady ogive tool. It's easy to uniform the ogive (drive band) of the soft lead bullets by spinnning with light pressure, see attachment. I do believe competitive shooters send their barreled actions to Eley or Lapua test centers and have various lots of ammo shot through them to find the best lot. I've had 3 cpr .22lr out perform 25 cpr ammo. It's all fun.
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thanks.
yes and not that I know of. Although if I could find a shellholder a seating die I would try
@jdc yes you are right about the headspacing but the headspace is not what I am looking at. I can tell you from the BTO whether a particular ammo will shoot in my 452's or my Kidd without ever firing a shot. I found no difference when sorting by weight or by rim thickness.
What I did find was the length of base to ogive on ammos that shot well were all within a certain length measuring from base to ogive. I tested 15 types of ammo and found that without exception my Kidd prefers one length and my CZ almost the same length but will tolerate the shorter ammo better. My buddy has a CZ 455 with a MDT barrel and chassis that loves the high dollar ELEY and Federal Ultra Match but when tested in both of my 452's and my Kid they were mediocre at best
For whatever reason the low dollar CCI Std Velocity seems to shoot well in everything. I am going to try to get to the range tomorrow with my CZ's and about 20 of these targets
as long as we are posting bragging pics here is where I was doing the initial testing on that Kidd. The upper left group was the first group shot after changing ammo, lower right was rounds 16 - 20. Notice how the groups shrank as the lube from the previous ammo was pushed out and the Lapua Midas lube took it's place. I had my shooting partner sign and date this one because I could not believe that last group myself when I brought it back to the bench
.133 inches at 50 yards
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.133 inches at 50 yards
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Amazing! Unfortunately have zilch experience with 22lr so I wouldn't know one ammo from another! BTW--what's the consensus on shooting lead ammo through a new barrel? In other words should you dedicate a barrel to "one or the other" due to cleaning issues--lead ammo seems to be the only one readily available.
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I have a CZ457 on the way--should have it by next week some time (assuming it doesn't get lost in space).
here is a thread on another forum you may enjoy, 1st post has links to about every rimfire ammo known to man
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1129343
as far as the lead vs plated I have never paid any attention, some of the ammos I shoot are plated other not
grats I give my CZ's full credit for improving my long range shooting. I went through 10K of ammo one spring/summer/fall at 100 and 200. When I went back to CF the next year my long range scores improved by 5 to 8 points per target
here is another link where you can learn everything you want to know about that 457
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18
BTW that .1 group was a one off, never been able to duplicate it. 4's and 5's are pretty common with that rifle though
this is some good stuff, both my CZ's love it
Midsouth - https://www.midsouthshooterssupply....h-special-22-lr-40-grain-50-round-box?Tk=DFAM
also CCI Std Vel https://www.cci-ammunition.com/rimfire/
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Hello Houndawg,
You have provided a link to what I think is the definitive testing of .22lr ammo. 50 rounds at 200 yards through a chronograph. Don't get much better, facts-wise.
I shoot most often at 100yds with my el-cheapo Savage MkII. Has an older Japan Tasco 36x scope and I've tinkered with the trigger some. Biggest improvement was going to a blem Rigid Alloy chassis on sale, didn't want to spend more on a stock than the whole rifle, see attachment. Have frequently put 10 shots into one of those 1" stickers at 100 yrds. All luck of the draw. When I get 9 shots in the sticker and 1 shot drops 1+ inches low I know it ain't me.
I used to get consistantly good results with Federal 22/40 bulk boxes or their Automatch stuff. Last ammo that impressed me is some Eley Action at 6 cpr. Some of my early best shooting was with Aguila at $1.79 per box of 50.
Hopefully sighters are allowed in this competition. Air temp/density will make a big difference in POI when shooting .22lr.
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That is a bunch of great info guys--thanks so much! BTW--anyone tried loading their own? It looks like cutting edge has some really good bullets as well as dies. And a very funny video to go with it.