When a NAA Mini would be appropriate

“is what I have OK?”

No, it is not, unless you define OK as relying on a sub-compact, hide-away, single action revoler chambered for cartridges deemed unsuitable by practically everyone of stopping a violent agressor.

If you do define OK that way, well then it still isn't, in much the way some people insist the world is flat when it is not.

Or something along those lines.
 
I've a question - independent of caliber size.

How is drawing the NAA and cocking it and then firing, significantly different from drawing a 1911, taking off the safety and then firing in terms of reaction time and process?

Both are done after some practice.

If the OP had said, he was going to carry a snubby SAA Colt clone, would you argue that it was a useless gun.

The point is that the NAA has utility vs. no gun. Is it ok - if that's what you got and it fits the situation - it is OK. Would one carry something else if one could - sure.

We have a poster here who carries an unchambered Kel-tec. Is that OK?

I wouldn't recommend it.

Like I said - it's empirical - when have the NAA minis failed someone? NAA has plenty of stories of them being successful. Of course, they would.

Show me the failures passed on the hypothetical analyses here:

1. Didn't get into action in time
2. BG laughed it off
3. BG took a round or two and continued the crime.
 
I have been outclassed and outsmarted by two gentlemen who know more about firearms and their use as self defense weapons than I. I concede. I just agree to disagree. Next thread...
 
No, it is not, unless you define OK as relying on a sub-compact, hide-away, single action revoler chambered for cartridges deemed unsuitable by practically everyone of stopping a violent agressor.
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Good thing that most don't define OK that way. A better way is to say OK means that it does the projected task adequately, and with that more reasonable definition we find that the standards are met.
 
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Would someone like to cite cases where the NAA was the gun used for self-defense by civilians and failed as compared to the failure rate of other guns used by civilians?

Otherwise, this is all hot air.
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I can't produce a case where a single shot .22 pen-gun was used for self defense by a civilian and failed as compared to the failure rate other guns used by civilians.

Guess that makes it a pretty good idea because I can come up with cases where 8 hits by .45 JHP failed to stop an assailant.

Point is that the .22 NAA fills a niche that is better filled by better guns which I am not arguing are only slightly larger or heavier, but may well be the same size, narrower, or even lighter.
 
Pressure test everything.

A guy that disses Gabe and advocates a single action 22! WOW, I'll take his advice in a hurry.

Every one has an opinion

Skip the crap, carry a gun or don't. An over powered pellet gun is not going to stop anything in a hurry.
 
A guy that disses Gabe and advocates a single action 22!
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I don't dis Gabe at all. Heck, I think everyone should find out as much truth as they can about the man. And I do not advocate the SA .22. Pointing out that something can do a task is very different than advocating it be used. Common mistake for those who have trouble understanding some of the basic nuances of language.
Every one has an opinion
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Yes, they do. Sort of sad that with all the opinons running around the facts so often get left behind.
 
I am the person who sometimes carry an unchambered keltec. I also have an sp101 in .357 mag and sometimes carry it. I have a Beretta tomcat in .22, but never carry it because the keltec is lighter, and in my opinion safer. I also have one of the NAA .22 revolvers and it is smaller and lighter than the keltec, which is already pretty tiny. I think it's wonderful that little ole me can have firepower starting at the NAA .22lr and going all the way up to an 8mm k98 or 12gauge, and a fairly representative sampling in between. The NAA is lighter than the mauser, but has considerably less firepower, it is much easier to conceal also, but harder to mount a scope on. Imagine that, different guns have different strengths and weaknesses.

The fact is more is more, even if it's only a few ounces it's still more, and sometimes even a few ounces is the difference between having something in your pocket and having it in the glove compartment of back at home in the safe.

I have dispatched literally hundreds of farm animals with a .22lr revolver, granted it had a 6" barrel and not the tiny 1 inch thing on the NAA, but in over 40 years of watching farm animals go down, or doing the shooting myself, I only remember one time when we had to shoot twice. In that case the steers skull was actually a skull within a skull, very wierd. So I would suggest that the .22 can not penetrate two bovine skull depths of bone.

At the end of the day a gun shooting nothing but blanks is going to be effective the vast majority of times. In fact, considering the general bloodthirstyness of people on this forum blanks may be the best choice of defensive ammo. Must less chance of going to jail for manslaughter that way and the odds of shooting the wrong person are not to be taken lightly.
 
I Like NAA's products but I prefer these:

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With these 15 yds is easily doable. I haven't shot the .380 yet as I just got it Saturday (finally got one!), but with the .32NAA I can put six shots in just over four inches at 50 ft. There's a target posted over at THR in the "Long Walk Short Pier" pistol challenge thread showing this. Granted they are a bit bigger, but are still easily pocket carried and are much more effective in terms of fight stoppage and at further distances.

My granddad had one of those mini revolvers in .22LR for awhile and I shot it a few times, granted not enough to gain any proficiency, but I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn past bad breath distance. To me I'd rather have a good quality knife than one of those since the effective ranges, for me, will be the same. I'm also highly capable with a blade though and I'm aware that that doesn't necessarily apply to everyone.
 
To summarize - if one wants a pocket gun, there are more powerful choices.

Mine are lightweight J frames.

The NAAs are niche guns as bugs or even tertiary bugs. If you have the full bat belt on, the NAA is a minimal impact bug. It's a good in your sport jacket pocket gun. That sort of thing.

However, if one only has a NAA mini, it is a good thing and probably will get you through most of the civilian DGU scenarios. Thus, if it is the only gun you are going to get, it gives you benefit and you should carry it.

BTW, the 22 Mag version sounds and looks like the Wrath of God when it goes off.
 
I see it as a cute toy. Smallest sub-compact BUG I'll go with is it the Beretta Jetfire in .25 ACP, which can likewise be completely eclipsed by one's hand, but empties nine rounds in little over a second.
 
I very rarely post here, but I read here alot...especially when I am in research mode, and I felt compelled to respond to this thread to defend my recent purchase of a NAA "PUG" in 22 WMR.

I am an LEO with 18 years on the job. Like most, when I first recieved my badge...I never went ANYWHERE without a gun (usually a 5 shot J frame.) I wouldn't even think of NOT going out armed. As the years have gone by I find myself less willing to dress to conceal a firearm in my off hours. Many times, especially when just running out to the store, or going to church...the gun stayed home. More and more in recent years...when i was off duty...the gun stayed home....especially when I am wearing sweat pants...which is more and more these days.

I think we can all agree...the FIRST rule of gunfighting is HAVE A GUN! As has been repeated several times in these threads the gun you have with you beats the one in the safe at home.

Over the years...I have repeatedly downsized to find a weapon that was the most unobtrusive....glock 19, glock 26, s&w 340, and a Seecamp 32. All of those guns ended up being left at home most of the time when I was off duty because of the size EXCEPT for the Seecamp (that was left at home because, as an old revolver man...I just didn't have the confidence that it would fire after spending months...maybe years in my pocket without having been test fired.)

The Seecamp...like the NAA Guardian is a fine weapon (I have never been fond of the KelTec 32s.) But generally speaking pocket guns (for me at least) tend to get carried alot and fired a little. I have never been able to totally trust that one of those small autos will fire reliably after being carried daily in a pocket for maybe months at a time. I should note here that I really don't have any basis for this conclusion except to say that generally, any revolver will be more reliable than any auto...period. My personal Seecamp was as reliable as any glock I have ever owned...but I just couldn't have total confidence in it.

An NAA mini revolver is...in my opinion...the most common sense choice when it comes to a small personal protection firearm because it is utterly reliable. The likelihood of a revolver failing to fire even after being carried for years in a pocket unfired is miniscule.

As to the utility of the 22WMR round...I have always subscribed to the theory that no one wants to get shot. I am under no illusions...this gun is basically a contact weapon. But its ultra small size not only ensure that it will be carried EVERYWHERE AND ALL THE TIME...but can allow it to be serrupticiously deployed should the need arise. Considering that 92% (according to the latest staistics I have read) of DGU's require only the display of a firearm to diffuse the situation...I feel extremely confident with my PUG. If I am unfortunate enough to have an encounter that falls into the other 8%....I'm sure that the combination of the muzzel flash and "wrath of God" noise will be VERY persuasive.

I also agree with one of the posters that said "If I knew I would need a gun...I wouldn't go there!" I try to always observe that when i am off duty!
 
Also, to me, the Mini is below the threshold of believability for the average thug.

"Is that a real gun?"

"Toy gun?"

Either way, what if they decide to rush you and beat you down instead, since it doesn't look like "a real gun"?

It's just TOO little.
 
So when has that happened vs. the cases we know of where mouse guns have worked?

Otherwise, who cares whether one personal view determines whether the gun has utility.
 
But generally speaking pocket guns (for me at least) tend to get carried alot and fired a little. I have never been able to totally trust that one of those small autos will fire reliably after being carried daily in a pocket for maybe months at a time.
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I totally agree with that sentiment. I personally make a concerted effort to shoot my pocket guns at least once a month, but that's me. If I didn't go to that length I wouldn't trust them either and would, like you, be more comfortable with a revolver.
 
pvq: You don't need to defend your choice. If it works for you, that's all that matters.

BTW, on the Seecamp, you should try carrying it for a month and then take it to the range to shoot 50 rounds through it. If it shoots reliably, then clean it, reload it, and carry it with confidence. If not, repair it or dump it. You'll be suprised at how reliable it is (I know I was suprised at how reliable my Titan .25 was after a week of pocket carry.)

Too bad NAA doesn't make a Mini-Revolver in DAO. That would be the bee's knees..... :D
 
I've done that with me Seecamp. Believe me...there is really no rational explanation for how I feel regarding small autos...but I just can't shake it. The seecamp was a fine weapon...but I traded it for the PUG. I am getting near retirement and don't want to have an excessive number of guns to have to permit.

As far a shooting my pocket gun, before I ascended (or descended depending on how you look at it) into the ranks of management, I used to be a firearms officer. I had plenty of range time and all of my weapons were shot with much mre frequency. Now at the quarterly qualifications, I just about have time to qualify with my duty weapon because there are so many people that need to qualify; and around here range time and range space are at a high premium.
 
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