What The Heck Is This?
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You have a very nice collection of guns there. Your Grandfather had a good eye for history in what he collected. You might start a biography of this collection.
I see in some of the pictures that trigger locks are used. Those kind of trigger locks were designed primarily for double action revolvers in that the bolt would go behind the trigger. Most guns do not have clearance to do this so instead the bolt is placed in front of the trigger. This could lead to a dangerous condition.
A gun safe or a locked storage box is most of the time a much better way of protecting unauthorized access to these guns.
Take care of these fine pieces of history and thank you for sharing with us
I see in some of the pictures that trigger locks are used. Those kind of trigger locks were designed primarily for double action revolvers in that the bolt would go behind the trigger. Most guns do not have clearance to do this so instead the bolt is placed in front of the trigger. This could lead to a dangerous condition.
A gun safe or a locked storage box is most of the time a much better way of protecting unauthorized access to these guns.
Take care of these fine pieces of history and thank you for sharing with us
Gun #19
Thanks for the kind words Gbro. My grandfather gave me my first rifle at 16, and used to take me trap shooting on occasion. He never missed. Me, well thats another story.
It's difficult having more than 40 weapons in my home, as I have to have a "secret room" for security reasons. As far as safety, all are verified unloaded, and I'm sure the keys to the locks are long gone. I'm in the process of finding a "safe house" for them.
Anyways, heres # 19. It's a beautiful Remington Woodsman 30-06. It has a Kowa scope (never heard of the brand). Anyway to tel mfg. date?
Thanks for the kind words Gbro. My grandfather gave me my first rifle at 16, and used to take me trap shooting on occasion. He never missed. Me, well thats another story.
It's difficult having more than 40 weapons in my home, as I have to have a "secret room" for security reasons. As far as safety, all are verified unloaded, and I'm sure the keys to the locks are long gone. I'm in the process of finding a "safe house" for them.
Anyways, heres # 19. It's a beautiful Remington Woodsman 30-06. It has a Kowa scope (never heard of the brand). Anyway to tel mfg. date?
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Remington Model 742 BDL.
Broad serial number blocks are:
1951-1967 1,000-541,000
1968-1975 6,900,000-7,499,999
1975-1978 A6,900,000-A7,499,999
1978-1981 B6,900,000-B7,499,999
There should be some cryptic markings on the left rear of the barrel, just in front of the action. http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/questions/barrelcodes
Failing that, call them up:
If you will call or email us the serial number and model number we can determine the approximate age of your firearm.
Serial numbers were not required until 1968. For models without a serial number, we may be able to determine the age by the 2-3 letters that are stamped on the barrel.
Contact us through our Help Center by email or call us at 800-243-9700 Mon-Fri 9-5 EST.
I have not seen a Kowa rifle scope. Their spotting scopes are pretty much the world standard for target shooters, though. If this rifle scope is anything close, it is a good one.
Broad serial number blocks are:
1951-1967 1,000-541,000
1968-1975 6,900,000-7,499,999
1975-1978 A6,900,000-A7,499,999
1978-1981 B6,900,000-B7,499,999
There should be some cryptic markings on the left rear of the barrel, just in front of the action. http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/questions/barrelcodes
Failing that, call them up:
If you will call or email us the serial number and model number we can determine the approximate age of your firearm.
Serial numbers were not required until 1968. For models without a serial number, we may be able to determine the age by the 2-3 letters that are stamped on the barrel.
Contact us through our Help Center by email or call us at 800-243-9700 Mon-Fri 9-5 EST.
I have not seen a Kowa rifle scope. Their spotting scopes are pretty much the world standard for target shooters, though. If this rifle scope is anything close, it is a good one.
Gun #20
Thanks for all the info Jim! Looks to be a 1980. This gun, while easy to identify, is a calibre I have never heard of before. It is a Remington 700 in cal 25-06. its in mint condition. Is this an odball round? or is it known by another name? I saw one on gunsamerica for $1,000, and about fell out of my chair!
Thanks for any info!
signing off.....
Thanks for all the info Jim! Looks to be a 1980. This gun, while easy to identify, is a calibre I have never heard of before. It is a Remington 700 in cal 25-06. its in mint condition. Is this an odball round? or is it known by another name? I saw one on gunsamerica for $1,000, and about fell out of my chair!
Thanks for any info!
signing off.....
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Gun No 20 is a Remington 700 ADL, which was the least expensive rifle they were making at the time. $1000 is about twice what this one is worth, the one on GA must have been a fancier variation or the seller very optimistic.
.25-06 is the .30-06 case necked down to shoot a .257" bullet. They were made as wildcats, the guns chambered by a gunsmith and the brass formed by the shooter for many years, sometimes known as the .25 Neidner. Remington then started to produce guns and ammo commercially. They sold very well for a while but have been kind of overshadowed by newer gimmick guns.
.25-06 is the .30-06 case necked down to shoot a .257" bullet. They were made as wildcats, the guns chambered by a gunsmith and the brass formed by the shooter for many years, sometimes known as the .25 Neidner. Remington then started to produce guns and ammo commercially. They sold very well for a while but have been kind of overshadowed by newer gimmick guns.
Gun #21
Thanks Jim. I guess a little wishful thinking on part as far as the value on the 25-06....
Anyhow, heres #21. It has a pretty low serial # A0219 (assuming this is the serial #), and says Mauser Modelo Argentino 1909, along with some German writing (see pic#2). There is also an oval crest on top of the breech. Has this been sporterized? There is an oval sticker on bottom of forestock saying rifle has been service checked by interarms. Oh, muzzle stamped 7.65.
Thanks!
Thanks Jim. I guess a little wishful thinking on part as far as the value on the 25-06....
Anyhow, heres #21. It has a pretty low serial # A0219 (assuming this is the serial #), and says Mauser Modelo Argentino 1909, along with some German writing (see pic#2). There is also an oval crest on top of the breech. Has this been sporterized? There is an oval sticker on bottom of forestock saying rifle has been service checked by interarms. Oh, muzzle stamped 7.65.
Thanks!
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The markings pretty well cover it. It is a Model 1909 cavalry carbine, not the same as the infantry rifle. The action is of '98 Mauser design, the gun actually made by DWM in Germany on contract for Argentina, whose national crest is on top of the action. It has not been sporterized except for the pull-on recoil pad on the buttstock... which will pull off as easy as it went on. The sticker shows it was imported here as surplus by Interarms, of Alexandria, Virginia, sometimes arms supplier to the CIA.
The caliber is 7.65x53 Mauser, which was used by Belgium, Turkey, Argentina, and a few other small Latin countries. One source says Spain, which is news to me. It is not interchangeable with anything else. Ammunition is available but rather expensive.
Read up at:
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/1909argentinecarbine/index.asp
The caliber is 7.65x53 Mauser, which was used by Belgium, Turkey, Argentina, and a few other small Latin countries. One source says Spain, which is news to me. It is not interchangeable with anything else. Ammunition is available but rather expensive.
Read up at:
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/1909argentinecarbine/index.asp
Gun #22
Thanks Jim. This one says k98 on the left side of receiver, serial#4224.b. Front scope ring covering up a name which starts with W and ends with A. Tried taking front ring off, but it feels like it was put on with an impact wrench, screws will no budge. Ugly recoil pad and cheek protector removed for your viewing pleasure...
Thanks!
Thanks Jim. This one says k98 on the left side of receiver, serial#4224.b. Front scope ring covering up a name which starts with W and ends with A. Tried taking front ring off, but it feels like it was put on with an impact wrench, screws will no budge. Ugly recoil pad and cheek protector removed for your viewing pleasure...
Thanks!
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No 22 is a K98 Mauser, the German infantry rifle from 1935 through WW II. Caliber 8mm Mauser = 8x57.
The bad news is that this one has been sporterized by drilling and tapping holes for the scope mounts, removal of the top handguard, and shortening of the stock forearm. Therefore the maker's name hidden under the front scope base does not mean a lot to the value anyhow.
The bad news is that this one has been sporterized by drilling and tapping holes for the scope mounts, removal of the top handguard, and shortening of the stock forearm. Therefore the maker's name hidden under the front scope base does not mean a lot to the value anyhow.
Thanks Jim. It's a shame how a lot of these guns lose their historical/collector value. Is it because there was a large surplus after the war, and the guns could be had for a few bucks? As a kid I remember seeing ads for garands for dirt cheap in the back of some magazine all the time (can't recall the name).
gun #23
I was told my another member here that this gun is a MAS, made for the French army at the St Etienne armory. Serial #'s are all different, but gun is in mint shape. Was it rearsenaled somewhere? Is it a 7.62? 1936 is stamped on left side. Is this the model #, or mfg date?
Thanks!
I was told my another member here that this gun is a MAS, made for the French army at the St Etienne armory. Serial #'s are all different, but gun is in mint shape. Was it rearsenaled somewhere? Is it a 7.62? 1936 is stamped on left side. Is this the model #, or mfg date?
Thanks!
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Yes.
The first big wave of WWII surplus guns was in the 1950s and early 1960s. European bolt actions could be had for $10 - $40. I paid $36 for a 1903 Springfield in those days. Before 1968 a Free American could mailorder a gun and have it sent to his doorstep. But the Kennedy killings were the rationale for banning mailorder and out of state sales of guns under the Gun Control Act of 1968. There was no opposition from US gun companies, they were just as glad to see competition from foreign makers and everybody's surplus slowed down.
Over recent years, the Curio and Relic provisions have loosened things up and there has been a second big wave of WW II surplus loosed on the market.
Your Marlin 56 is a child of the same law. Prior to GCA 1968, there was no requirement for a gun to even have a serial number and a lot of inexpensive guns didn't. The Model 56 didn't, the more expensive Model 39A did.
The production run of Model 56s was from 1955 - 1964.
Jim Watson
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Investarm is an Italian gunmaker, startup in 1975 which makes it a real newcomer there... Beretta has been in business for 400 years.
http://www.investarm.com/eng/
Sile was the US importer for Investarm and other small Italian companies several years ago.
The 28 gauge is not real common, mostly shot at Skeet and by real dedicated upland bird hunters. But I googled mention of other Investarm 28s, they must have concentrated on the market.
http://www.investarm.com/eng/
Sile was the US importer for Investarm and other small Italian companies several years ago.
The 28 gauge is not real common, mostly shot at Skeet and by real dedicated upland bird hunters. But I googled mention of other Investarm 28s, they must have concentrated on the market.
