What is the L&P forum for?

"All I saw was that posts needed to relate to firearms.

Where exactly did you see that as it relates to L&P?"

I've never seen that in regards to the L&P section, but I do think there is a slight disconnect between the forum rules and the description of the L&P forum found on the front page...


From the rules:

"1) All Topics and Posts must be related to firearms, accessories or civil liberties issues."

From the L&P description:

"Round table discussions range from the Bill of Rights, to concealed carry, to general political issues."

Not critical, but I can see where some disconnect could be perceived in that civil liberties issues are not necessarily general political issues, and vice versa.

Just a thought.
 
Originally Posted by Real Gun
All I saw was that posts needed to relate to firearms.
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Where exactly did you see that as it relates to L&P?
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I checked all the links on the L&P page. It did not occur to me to go back up the chain to links or text on the Conference Center page. I feel like a lot was expected, and that a Forum rules link on the L&P page should be context sensitive. Anyway, thanks for the clarification.
 
Frankly, I for one would be just as satisfied if we pulled the L&P forum, and limited debate on TFL to gun related issues period. Plenty of other places folks can get their shorts in a wad over what another poster was passionate about.
 
I've been PM'd 14 times. I think one was simply to tell me I was using a term incorrectly, to help me stop looking stupid. I think another was to inform me one of my posts was deleted because, if memory serves, it was, er, on the aggressive side.

I tend to espouse some ideas that are not what I'd ordinarily expect gun owners to agree with. I'm surprised to find that expectaion is wrong more often then I'd imagine.

This is private property we're on. I've found the staff to be MOST tolerant despite that I can probably name at least four who disagree with me on one or another issue. For example, I was absolutely floored that they let the couple of methamphetamine/sudafed threads go on the way they did.

I doubt you will find a forum anywhere that's more interesting than L&P. The common thread is we own guns. Everything else is different. There's a great mixing of ideas here. I don't much care for some of the opinions, but then some of you probably don't much care for mine. But I think there's value in hearing each other out.
 
I agree

Invention_45Mentions

I doubt you will find a forum anywhere that's more interesting than L&P. The common thread is we own guns. Everything else is different. There's a great mixing of ideas here. I don't much care for some of the opinions, but then some of you probably don't much care for mine. But I think there's value in hearing each other out.

Harley Quinn agrees.
 
Unless you like constant downtime and slow page loads, or plan on never having more than a couple dozen people online at any given time, be prepared to go dedicated. I'm only telling you this because if there's one thing I've learned from the RKBA community that wasn't related to guns and liberty, it's that no matter how much a person makes a year or how smart you would think they are, everyone flocks to the hosting providers that promise a connection worthy of yahoo.com itself for five dollars a month, while still trying to get free assistance and handholding from the guy who they should be going to. 'Course, there's some people who will point you somewhere good if they haven't already sold him out for some guy who just gee whiz gosh darn thinks he's going to play around with that there webhosting thing with a 'fisher price' reseller he got.

If you want to host what will ultimately become a well trafficked forum, you are going to pay money for it. Real money. Unless it will never be popular, you better have something in it that will pay off for you financially, because no one gets involved with the amount of expense otherwise. This forum? Subsidized by a fine magazine. THR? Zeanah lucked out.

Colocated, you save a little month to month by taking a bigger up front hit, and you actually own the hardware which is a physical asset instead of renting it. There are also downsides to this.

It's a common trend for a forum that didn't plan things right in the first place and sees heavy use to announce the need for a new server (colo), get members to donate for a new server and hosting for a year well above market average, and then get nearly as much money out of them the next year as the first, as long as the members forget that the bulk of the first year's cash was needed for the hardware. I see this happen at least twice a year, webdev forum, car performance forum, home construction forum, place to place. People like me who know the actual costs of things usually get irritating at times like that ;) especially when we visit a culture of 'paid member' users browbeating others over giving ten dollars a year or not when just one of a dozen dozen advertisers and sponsors pays for all of the site's costs put together.

Go dedicated. Although an uninformed look through the facts might convince you otherwise, you save a little in the long run compared to colo. You basically have two choices, economy or performance and service. Also, vBulletin is popular, but it isn't necessarily the only choice. There are a multitude of fora out there that you might prefer. On a dedicated it doesn't matter at all, but as "the principle of the thing", vB is an absolute resource pig.
 
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