What do you do?

Let's go to the source: The DOJ

Among the known perpetrators, 66 percent were white, and 20 percent were black. Some perpetrators commit hate crimes with their peers as a "thrill" or while under the influence of drugs or alcohol; some as a reaction against a perceived threat or to preserve their "turf'; and some who out of resentment over the growing economic power of a particular racial or ethnic group engage in scapegoating.
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So, PRIMARILY performed by whites, but 1 in 5 by blacks.

Ta da!
 
SecDef:


You are getting your stats from the same people who define hate crime as white on black, straight on gay, so naturally you end up with these results. They're built into the definition.
 
Wrong wrong wrong. Give us some heck even one case of a black on white hate crime prosecution. Heck a white couple in Tennessee was kidnapped, raped, murdered, and burned by blacks without a hate crime charge. Get your facts straight dude. If a white man had done half of that to a black instant hate crime or the city would burn. BTW I'm not white.............but Hispanic.
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http://www.usdoj.gov/crs/pubs/htecrm.htm

Victims and Perpetrators

Among the known perpetrators, 66 percent were white, and 20 percent were black. Some perpetrators commit hate crimes with their peers as a "thrill" or while under the influence of drugs or alcohol; some as a reaction against a perceived threat or to preserve their "turf'; and some who out of resentment over the growing economic power of a particular racial or ethnic group engage in scapegoating.
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After a white youth from Guthrie, Kentucky, was killed by several black males in Robertson County, Tennessee, for displaying on his truck the confederate flag, the emblem of the youth's high school, regional tensions flared, marked by cross burnings and other incidents. CRS worked with Federal, State and local officials to restore racial order, including assistance to the mayor of Guthrie in establishing a Community Relations Commission to help maintain stability.
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In St. Louis, Missouri, an Asian refugee sitting in his automobile in front of his house was killed by a black youth. Long-simmering ethnic-racial tensions were exacerbated by the murder, and civil disturbances appeared imminent. CRS helped Federal, State and local officials, and community and religious organizations develop a process to begin to address both the immediate and underlying social and economic causes of the tension.
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edit: oops, beaten :o



bueno la realidad es que los gringos hacen estas cosas mas que los negros o los hispanos o las mujeres. el concepto de un 'crimen del odio' es desagradable pero los caucasicos no son los que sufren mas

although technically hispanic can be a subset of a difference race so one can be a white hispanic or a black hispanic...though that never jived well with me
 
I just gave you a black on white hate crime that wasn't even listed as a hate crime by authorities so any of the stats you listed are obviously flawed.
 
SecDef:


You are getting your stats from the same people who define hate crime as white on black, straight on gay, so naturally you end up with these results. They're built into the definition.
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If that were even remotely true then it would be impossible for any blacks to be counted in their statistics. LOL LOGIC
 
Let's face it, Whitey's got no political power in certain areas. The question is why. And the answer? You guessed it: Whitey. Whitey runs both major political parties. The white people in one party exploit racial and ethnic minorities to get power over the white people in the other party.


This will end in less than 75 years. Importing ~100 million Mexican nationals with Z visas will accelerate the process. Why? One of the parties is in the process of throwing out the white people.


Hijinks will ensue.
 
Personally, I'm sick of the labels. "Left". "Right". If you feel that you need to belong to a group to form your political identity, you're sheeple too.
The "right" is corrupt and power mad. The same goes for the "left". I dont support either. I do my best to look at political hapenings on a case by case basis whenever i can.

I see lots of people saying the right supports the rights of the people... I beg to differ. Traditionally, they've always supported 2nd amendment rights, but when it comes to other things, they're not so 'equal'. Its ok to be any religion, as as its a Christian one. Its ok to love anyone, as long as they are of the opposite sex. Freedom with conditions isnt freedom.

I for one, would like to see evidence of gay on straight hate crime. To my knoledge, no such thing exsists, and even if it did, i'm sure straight on gay hate crime outnumbers it 100 fold.
 
I think this thread is proof of the fact that people of certain ideological backgrounds maybe should stay out of relationships with each other. Redworm (nice to see you again, btw) and Manedwolf, you two definitely shouldn't marry. :p

And, to address the OP, if you're having problems with your relationship, it's probably best to seek professional counsel of your choosing (pastor, rabbi, imam, marriage counselor, therapist, etc.).
 
And, to address the OP, if you're having problems with your relationship, it's probably best to seek professional counsel of your choosing (pastor, rabbi, imam, marriage counselor, therapist, etc.).
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BTDT and divorced the female dog.
If a lady commits adultery, this means she is NOT wanting to work on a relationship.

Mom & Pop Gun Stores are the best place to go after informing Attorney to ...to...can't type what I ask him to do Wait, let me try Divorce ASAP.

Mom & Pop Gun Stores are great folks. Buy a gun, gets gobs of ammunition and shoot it a lot.
I also recommend becoming a Clay Field Bum and having a Pallet of Shells delivered to range shoot clays with.

Yes, I got a kick when her attorney actually came out to range to "persuade me" to give into her a bit.

Something about an attorney running to car with hands flailing seeing everyone armed is quite satisfying.

"I think the boy said no, you can leave the same way you come in."

:)
 
Yeah and it's more than just the raw numbers. There's a lot more black on white crime but there're also far fewer black Americans. So per black person, your rate of offending against a white victim is huge. (Of course, you could argue the choice of white victim may be driven to some extent by the high percentage of white people in the potential victim pool).
 
I despise the idea of "hate crimes" in general but the idea that the straight white christian male is feeling anywhere near the oppression that women, gays, blacks and other minorities have been feeling for centuries is utter nonesense.
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I find it disturbing when people suggest that equal suffering is somehow a prerequisite to equal treatment.
 
Buzzwords: Hate crime/Assault Weapon

While there are relative "common sense" definitions of what these terms ought to mean, what the actually seem to mean depends entirely on the view point of the individual.

Really, other than a paperwork error on a Govt form, what kind of crime isn't a hate crime? Hate is involved in every crime. Perpetrators hate something (their situation, lack of something, percieved victim status, etc., etc.,) no matter what it happens to be, there is something they hate. And I think it entirely reasonable to assume that victims hate being victims (either before or after the fact).

The fact that our Govt has chosen to believe that the motivation for a crime makes a difference, and should warrant specific additional punishment, seems to me to be a violation of civil rights. People are not being treatred equally under the law, because of their beliefs. Is this right?, and equally important, is this acceptable under the Constitution? Our current Govt. says it is, by their actions. I don't agree. Why does not matter (other than as an intellectual excersize). What matters. How does not matter, or should not. Gun control laws are targeted at the How, not the What. We have had laws since the beginning covering the What.

Hate crime laws increase penalties for the Why. Why do we waste our time with the Why, when all that really matters to the victims is the What. Victims are not any less murdered by being murdered because they were the wrong color. Nor are they any less murdered by being strangled instead of being shot, or shot with a gun that holds 30 bullets.

As far as maintaining a relationship with someone who has opposing social/political views, sure, to a point, and depending on the kind of relationship. A professional relationship? Fine, no problem, as long as they remain civil. A romantic relationship? Doubtful, unless both parties can keep taboo subjects completely outside of the relationship. Possible, but not likely.
 
I find it disturbing when people suggest that equal suffering is somehow a prerequisite to equal treatment.
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I suggested no such thing. I clearly stated that I despise the thought of hate crimes and I certainly believe in equal treatment.
 
I suggested no such thing. I clearly stated that I despise the thought of hate crimes and I certainly believe in equal treatment.
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the idea that the straight white christian male is feeling anywhere near the oppression that women, gays, blacks and other minorities have been feeling for centuries is utter nonesense
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Wrong is wrong, so why introduce a comparative discussion of degree or duration of oppression?
 
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