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Darious, I was just about to start on a nice post trying to offer profound showings of proof, using web articles from independent, reputable news sources regarding each and every point, but then I started to think. I could care less. I just don't fricken care anymore. If you still don't know what's going on by now, you never will. It's pretty dang dark outside. If you still think the sun's fricken shinin then you need to wander your butt outside and look the hell around.

Well, its quite clear all of the sudden the type and character of the person I am dealing with. I was gonna give you all this proof, but I don't feel like it right now. God, that is SO SAD. What a cop out. You get told to put up or shut up, and thats all you can come up with? That above quote is so juvenile that I can barely type from laughing so hard. Is that the BEST YOU CAN DO? What a joke.

And as for knowing whats going on, I know very well what is going on in this country, and others. Some things I like, some I don't, but they are all certainly not all the fault of this horrible demon in human form GW Bush! LOL. I feel sorry for you.

Bad language, abusive, stooping to insults when asked for simple proof to back up your statements......yep, your credibility is REAL high....:rolleyes:
 
Rim and Yak Challenge

Okay, Rim and Yak, let's get beyond your self-congratulatory one-liners.

It is easy to gripe, but harder to find solutions.

You don't like Bush or don't think he's doing a good job? Then offer specific alternatives:
  • identify a potential Presidential candidate who would do a better job - and list specific reasons why that person would do better.
  • list specific problems (war in Iraq?) - and offer specific, detailed and viable solutions.
In short, if you have concrete ideas about how to make things better, you should share them. Without alternatives, your complaints about Bush are meaningless.
 
Thanks, gc70!
It's a freedom to gripe in a democratic society as it is a freedom to turn the channel or tune out, or ignore. Most of my post have been in response to pro GWBzers cheerleading about their boy who to quote Robert Plant is Dazed & Confused!" Now that most of the country has arrived at a similar place as it pertains to our "leadership" the next step is to contemplate a better "way to go."
It's most likely going to be three non productive years ahead but that's better than the alternative. I'd pay the guy to stay in bed.
From the way he got "in" to the ineptitude displayed while
in" it's just been a disaster.
...and don't dismiss the sometimes humorous one liners...they are very effective in dealing with such a tragedy as has befallen this country.

I think there may be one or more potential candidates out there under the radar who will emerge at the appropriate time. I'm not referring to JM or HRC.

The next regime will certainly be better listeners (and hopefully speakers) than this crowd.
Give middle America a little more of what they want. Honesty, transparency accountability, concern for middle America not corporate America.


If the economy is satisfactory at the time of the next election people will do what they always do...attack the real issues. Not same sex unions or abortion but issues which are of the "State"
Health Care for an aging society
Real Social Security help...Fund it!
Restoring jobs to the American workers by penalizing off shore shams and outsourcing ( doncha love that benign term ) "Was the poor bastard fired?" "No, No, his job was just outsourced..... he'll be fine! There'a a new DQ going in down the street!"
Spending restraints on Congress and the Pres.
Meaningful Homeland Security and border priority which starts at the borders not with "guest worker programs"
Quit allowing one illusive terrorist leader to change our entire way of being Americans. It can be argued that Bin Laden chose our President. He cleared his throat and we went "fetal" for Bush in the last election. Then GWB stepped on his parts ...and ours! BL couldn't have pick on a more suitable candidate for his recruitment poster than GWB. We need to lower the terror level of our own gov't. But then again, a scared electorate is an easily manipulated electorate. Just ask GHWB vs the Econ of 92.

How about creating some real accomplished scholars on the middle east and the Muslim faith. We're not going to kill faith and philosophy with guns folks.
All that is accomplished is a hightening of their resolve. This administration over simplified the middle east. He didn't know a Sunni from Hyundai.:(

Real penalties for employers who hire illegals like the kind of penalties I'd be subjected to if I violated a gun law.

Taxation for any so called church engaged in political activities
Some churches have more flags than crosses! And in some "parts" it's a very lucrative business. Does God really like Americans best? Was Christ a big blonde Republican dude from La Jolla?:eek: Now that takes some national ego!:o

How about meeting with yoiur science advisory once a week instead of once.
Let's treat global warming a little more seriously.

If the economy's in the dumper by the next election...well, disregard the aforementioned!
It'll be the economy, stupid! Because first and formost we Americans are consumers and lots of other things secondarily!

These are only a few concepts which would help turn this country around. I'll be adding more as we get closer to "throw the bums out" day!
I'd like other's suggestions on improvements to our future.

Or as we say in golf...never up, never in!:eek: I think it's golf!;)

Pass the Tylenol!

Rimrock
 
Rim, that's one heck of a list, which presents a problem. But there's a solution for the problem - it's called triage.

Prioritize the issues because they can't all be fixed at once. And the people who would champion some of the issues would fight tooth and nail against other issues. For instance:
  • The folks who want to do something about global warming refuse to do anything about funding Social Security.
  • The folks who support expanded health care for the aging will not act to control illegal immigration.
  • Folks who would tax churches wouldn't protect your gun rights.
  • And nobody in politics supports real spending constraints.
Sort out what's most important to you. You have to put some things aside (at least for now) to get others. And you have to choose sides since we're pretty much stuck with a two-party system in the US.

So, what are your hottest issues?
 
orig post by gc70 Sort out what's most important to you. You have to put some things aside (at least for now) to get others. And you have to choose sides since we're pretty much stuck with a two-party system in the US.
The issues in my post depict an ideal situation.
For our little excercise here I'm not forced to deal with a bias or prejudice which may exist. That is, at this stage I'm not willing to capitulate to historic patterns. My premise is that it's the next regimes's job to offer change to those historic patterns. You buy the premise ..you buy the bit!;)
Again, I'm proceding with the idea that about every 25 years or so the electorate says "enough" and actually gets close to unchaining themselves from the party lines. It happens!

Am I going to have an easy time of it with a white male with a high school education from B.F. Alabama telling him I want to make his church pay income tax...probably not.Probably have some trouble with a NY Catholic as well. Now if the economy's bad and I have the magic bullet to make $$ plentiful or the equivalent in preception, then he'd probably say "Amen" and buy a ticket for "Yankee Days" down at the gay bar!
I learned long ago you won't make everyone happy. Somebody's ox will get "gored" ..pardon the expression! The trick is to satisfy the overwhelming majority if that's possible.


Right now and projecting into the immediate future the deficit and the blank checks are a real threat to our national economic well being. With most Americans the issues are two: direct safety and immediate money not necessarily in that order. When the points I put forward in the previous post can be masterfully and creatively packaged to relate or translate to "safety and money" then it's....Yahtzee! It won't be accomplished without steppin' on some sacreds but if and when folks are truely fed up as they seem to be right now then we might be surprised at what that Alabama boy might do with a hangin chad!:eek: :)

to be continued............perhaps!

Rimrock
 
I'll be darned... Your prior posts led me to believe that you might be one of those folks who enjoys howling at the moon, but you just burst that bubble.

You nailed the factors that need to be present to motivate the masses to significant change - personal fear and greed. Unfortunately, Americans are generally pretty safe and prosperous. It would take a low-probability, high-pain event to prompt the type of national attitude change that your scenario requires. While I agree that such an event (i.e. the Civil War or the Great Depression) would allow changes that are currently unthinkable, I'm not sure that I want to go through such "interesting times."

PS - Bill Clinton (actually James Carville) was right... "it's the economy, stupid."
 
I learned long ago you won't make everyone happy. Somebody's ox will get "gored" ..pardon the expression! The trick is to satisfy the overwhelming majority if that's possible.

Is this not the reason Bush won his second term even after being slamed the first 4 years by the liberal left. You just can't comprehend that the majority of Americans can find something they actually like about Bush even with all the doom and gloom that is spewed by the people who are against him. They refer to those people as stupid and uninformed for not agreeing with them, They offer no solutions, answers or new agenda to problems but insist Bush's/Republican ways are wrong.
I'm sorry, you must of really loved your Ox!

kenny b
 
orig post by gc70 I'll be darned... Your prior posts led me to believe that you might be one of those folks who enjoys howling at the moon, but you just burst that bubble. You nailed the factors that need to be present to motivate the masses to significant change - personal fear and greed.
It would take a low-probability, high-pain event to prompt the type of national attitude change that your scenario requires.

gc70,
I'm not so sure about that. It happened to some degree when Reagan was elected and to a much less degree when GHWB was not elected in 92 due to the preception the economy was tanking.
I think our disagreement is in terms of severity of the "event"
In 2000 we were about as safe, secure and wealthy as we had been in recent memory. That was an election of charisma...one with little the other with less. Nobody could have been more surprised than "GWB" at the outcome. There seemed to be an attitude of "Oh, how much damage could one guy do anyway?" :eek: :eek: Unfortunately.. "PLENTY!"
The 2004 vote was based on fear and insecurity with a little of that "religious right demonizing" that Karl spins so devilishly well.
Sadly, it was the actions of GWB's favorite "evildoer" who determined the outcome of the election because folks don't like risk taking when the perception is danger.
Based I my understanding of our economy I'll be surprised if by 2008 it isn't in total sambles. You can't abuse anything that much and that long without major problems.
Again, if that's the case we may be surprised at the strange bedfellows which are created out of necessity.
Oh, I'm not really a howler as much as someone who is sincerely concerned for my children and theirs.This country has been good to most generations of my family. My family has made significant contributions to this country.

"His Emptysuitness" made bad choices which unfortunately will haunt America for decades. He repeatedly refused to consult with educated great minds who were available, instead opting to keep the circle of advice small and rather limited.
Hopefully we all learn from this mess so it's not ever repeated but I doubt it. History has a way of repeating itself.
Thanks for the exchange, gc70!

Rimrock
 
orig post by kennybs plbg Is this not the reason Bush won his second term even after being slamed the first 4 years by the liberal left. You just can't comprehend that the majority of Americans can find something they actually like about Bush even with all the doom and gloom that is spewed by the people who are against him.

I didn't mean to overlook your post. I know it's tough to watch this public flogging of your boy but the truth is folks have finally seen him for what he is...an incompetent!
Are those darn liberals master minding this? Somewhere here I read where liberals couldn't get out of their own way. No, I think when you build a house on a bad foundation it will only develope stress fractures and eventually clapse.
Watch for fall debris!:eek:

Oh, BTW if the definition of "liberal" is anyone to the left of the views in your post ..you just effectively wiped out about the overwhelming majority of the American population.:eek: Speakin' of gorin' some ox's!:eek:

Enjoy your day!

Rimrock
 
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my understanding of our economy I'll be surprised if by 2008 it isn't in total sambles

The economy numbers have increased on average at a very healthy clip from day one. I think your looking at the wrong numbers. Why don't you post some facts to back up your statement.

kenny b
 
QUOTE] orig post by kennyb The economy numbers have increased on average at a very healthy clip from day one. I think your looking at the wrong numbers. Why don't you post some facts to back up your statement[/QUOTE]

kennyb,
I have know idea where you spent the last five years but you apparently missed some real weird stuff. First of all the economy took a full fledged dump a couple of months after "His Incompetence" took over. It was in all the papers! They called it a recession! The federal reserve lowered interest rates to a record low for a record length of time trying to rescue or revive the patient. I don't know where you studied economics but this economy has been on life support for close to the entire time he's been in office. Normally the "Fed" gooses the economy by tweaking the rates by 1/4 point here and there. This economy under GWB has been on a FED I.V. since he "rode into town" The Dow today remains approximately where it was under Clinton after going backwards for years. The NASDAQ is half what it was under Clinton and the Rep Congress.
Lots of folks got rich in the Clinton years..I'm sorry if you didn't.
No matter how hard you wish itweren't so and how many times it's said otherwise, Bushes economy has for the most part helped a few elitists and that's about all.
Now here's the important part which relates to my statement.
Your boy has burrowed and spent more money than any Pres. in history with the least amount to show for it. When a deficit exists like this one it eventually erodes the value of the dollar as well as causes debt servicing which over loads the economic circuits. We have to keep selling off the ranch to stay in business. Not unlike burning the furniture to stay warm.
Again, if things don't change quickly we're heading for an economic downturn like we haven't seen in a long while. Responsible members of both parties are outraged over the current state of economic affairs.
Facts: Clinton had surpluses for three years
GWB has only had the largest deficit known to humankind!
When the stuff hits the fan...remember our little exchange. ..and don't be blaming the next poor SOB for the mess which is in the makin' right now!
A lot of us didn't go to Yale...but a lot of us actually attended classes daily!
I'm happy to post my chart from the Congressional Budget Office again if you'd like!

Rimrock
 
First of all the economy took a full fledged dump a couple of months after "His Incompetence" took over.
No President makes the economy tank or take off after only a couple of months in office. First-term Presidents inherit their predecessor's economy and second-term Presidents get to live with what they create.

The NASDAQ is half what it was under Clinton and the Rep Congress.
Lots of folks got rich in the Clinton years..I'm sorry if you didn't.
Lots of Dutchmen got rich from tulip bulbs, but those at the end of the line got to plant them. :D The dot.com boom was a similar obscenity and I have friends who could wallpaper their houses with Worldcom stock.

This economy under GWB has been on a FED I.V. since he "rode into town"
The FED's interest rate IV let the economy make a soft landing, but we may all end up regretting the low-rate setup that has infused the economy. The economy has been fueled by consumer spending for several years and I don't see how that can continue. Consumers have been able to continue spending, not due to wage/income increases, but from borrowing, and much of that from home equity. Many of my neighbors brag about refinancing their houses at record low rates and spending all of their equity, while first-time buyers have been getting into homes with interest-only ARMS. If home prices don't continue their upward spiral, somebody's going to be in a world of hurt as interest rates go up.

Again, if things don't change quickly we're heading for an economic downturn like we haven't seen in a long while.
:eek: Somebody has to be long cash to snap up bargains from desperate sellers. :D
 
gc70 here is a graph which adequately illustrates your point that the economy did not tank when Mr. Bush took over. It clearly shows the NASDAQ peak which occurred in the spring of 2000. (The same thing occurred in the Dow and the S&P 500 with the final break happening in August but they are relatively hard for the untrained person to intuitively see in a simple graph.) Among those who have studied recent markets the events of the last six years are commonly referred to as 'the recovery after the burst of the Clinton Bubble'.
 
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Thanks, MeekAndMild, that's a nice, succinct paper on the stock market bubble. Unfortunately, even that paper calls it the "Clinton Bubble" when the only involvement that Clinton had was that he happened to be the resident of the White House when it took place.
 
That was a point that others have made. The inhabitant of the White House is not the person in charge of the economy. The market has its own logic and timing. The Fed tries to control things but their interest rate changing action is sort of like a handbrake on the last car of a mile long freight train. It really doesn't do much in final analysis.

I'm just calling the Clinton Bubble what the economists call it. Naming it places it in historical context for the DU droogies who mindlessly hammer Mr. Bush at every turn.
 
If home prices don't continue their upward spiral, somebody's going to be in a world of hurt as interest rates go up.
Talk about a bubble...I couldn't agree more.The upward spiral is over in many areas. And yes I'm long and ready!;)
Sharp investors knew the closer the 2000 election got the worse the market reacted. They say the market knows all....it sure saw this clown comin'! ...and so did I.The Clinton bubble and the Bush recession! One lasted a few months the other lasted 4years +
Again, the Clinton years were full of peace, prosperity and surplus!
The Bushwacked years had the economy on life support for four years, the largest deficit in history continues and an attack on the middle class like none in our history. When ultra conservatives Bill Buckley, Ed Rollin's and even John Fund of the Wall Street Journal are squirmin' in the seats you know it serious.
I'm just glad we as Americans finally got the "duck on the table" exposing this imposter for what he is, a rich kid in a toga who's owned and operated by Corporatia!
Maybe our kids and theirs will get lucky and secure jobs in India only returning home for Thanksgiving!
Or as W" says so eloquently, "fool me.... ahhhhhh,.....ahhhhh....you can't ahhhhh you can't get fooled again!":( :eek: :(

But remember, 34% of America agrees with you! So ya got that goin' for ya which is nice!:)

Rimrock
 
Kenny thats a great example of what the media will not report about our economy, and America needs to know.

Rimrock, with all due respect I think that 34% is NYT/CNN trash, liberal hype.

The media just showed you folks a great example of "Selective Reporting" and it's dangerous to America!
 
Rimrock, with all due respect I think that 34% is NYT/CNN trash, liberal hype.

CBS = 34% (3-10-06)
USA GALLUP CNN = 36% (3-09-06)
AP = 37% (3-06-06)
FoX = 39 ( before the ports deal) (3-01-06)Not to split hairs but do you have one that shows he's kickin butt or just getting his butt kicked?
Fighting over a couple of % points when he's still in the crapper doesn't say much for him.

Looks like the more recent the survey the worse he gets!

Gentleman, sometimes it's best to just admit this guys lost what ever luster he may have had! He's tired, confused and is losing his base as we speak.
Even Republicans are now describing his numbers as NIXONIAN!:eek:

Rimrock
 
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