U.S. pays for care of illegal aliens

Some day you may even come to understand why. For now it's just a waste of keystrokes to explain it to you.
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I'll be happy to respectfully answer your objections if you change your mind.


To me, extra insurance against the spread of disease that could potentially kill a few million is pretty high up on the importance scale. But that's just my opinion.
 
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The harder you work to not be the more you are.

Transparent.

I remember you from before you started using this username. ;)

Just took me awhile to put the pieces together.
 
I remember your beliefs too.

Seems you've toned things down a bit since your last incarnation though. Understandable... ;)
 
JohnKSa,

Since my last incarnation??? Are you referring to previous posts, or something else in this thread?

My response to Fred is the same as to you. I'll be happy to respond to a point on the issue with comments about the issue. I'm not here to judge people personally for their political views.
 
No, I'm referring to when you used to post under another username. More than one actually. Not that it matters, I suppose. You'll be fine if you don't let your agenda get the better of you. ...Again. ;)

Good shooting,

John
 
SS: It is hard to explain penny-wise, pound foolish to some. I got your message perfectly.

As far as posting quotes to back up a point, please be honest and post the entire sentence rather than a phrase from the quote. An example of this is:
Quote:
no health care for illegal immigrants

Quote:
Refusing treatment to illegals

Quote:
deny healthcare to some populations here

Quote:
without health care
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I find the practice distasteful and dishonest. It is not too terribly hard to quote the whole sentence and it becomes more credible to your arguement. A phrase is only a complete thought, but it can be negated if it comes with a dependent clause attached to it but not quoted. For instance the very first quoted quote is

"No healthcare for illegal immigrants"

Since that is a dependant clause it could be saying anything like

No healthcare for illegal immigrants is a good thing.

or

No healthcare for illegal immigrants is a bad thing.

What was posted was meaningless to your point.
 
I was quoting HIS posts to HIM--FROM THIS THREAD. If he needs more than a brief reminder of what he posted then something's wrong. If someone's not clear on what the quotes mean or their context, they can page back to find the quotes. It's not like I'm quoting from another board or some obscure text.

Distasteful--perhaps to you--personal preferences vary and there's no pleasing everyone. Dishonest? Hardly--not by any definition--especially since the quotes and their context can be checked in seconds by anyone.

As far as it being hard to explain things to some people, all I have to say on that is that it's a lot easier to get your point across if you post on the actual topic of the thread rather than hijacking an existing thread and trying to bend it to your own purposes.

An example of what I mean would be arguing that "PROVIDING FREE HEALTHCARE to illegal aliens is a great idea because it may prevent a plague in our own country" on a thread that is about "FUNDING FREE HEALTHCARE THAT IS ALREADY BEING PROVIDED to illegal aliens".

Furthermore, if you have a problem with someone's posting methods, you should report that to a moderator. If you see a problem trend developing in user posting, that can be reported to a moderator or posted on the suggestions forum. Either of those approaches will probably be a lot more productive than just posting your version of a primer on how to post based on your personal preferences.

Thanks for your suggestions... :rolleyes:

John
 
Hypothetically--executing anyone caught crossing the border illegally would be just as effective.
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Which is what we should be doing. I think a few pikes with heads on them would be a better deterent than a concrete wall. :)

Not to mention cheaper.
 
Wraith,

Yeah, and in addition it would reinforce America's image as the leader in freedom, democracy, and human rights in the world.

Not only would it do zero for the health problem, your idea would make us into a bunch of barbarians. I love the hard-won western standard of basically decent human behavior. When I hear people coming up with solutions like this, I recommend moving to Russia or some central-asian narcocracy, where the population as a whole is going to be more receptive to disgusting thinking like "hey, if we saw off people's heads on television they won't come here to bother us anymore".
 
I was being sarcastic. What we do need is a military presence and lots of barbed wire.

Although at this point I wouldn't mind if it did become our policy.
 
While I don't think it is fair tha I have to pay for Illegal's treatment, I also don't like the hospitals should be stratteled with the costs.

Pay for their tratment, and then send them back to Mexico.
 
The only money from the public purse that needs spending on these people is for transport home; wherever that might be.

Those traitors in Washington ought to go with them.
 
"Those traitors in Washington ought to go with them."

The only problem with throwing them out on their @$$es is that there's nobody better to replace them, at least that has any hope of getting elected. The current occupants are unsavory, but the primary opposition are vile, hideous.
 
Shootinstudent and kjm,

I think readers of the thread would appreciate your take on my anecdotal (although entirely true) story.
 
ahenry,

Illegal immigrants are entitled to make legal claims for all violations of minimum wage and other fair-labors laws, and they have done so in the past. The claim that employers hire illegals because it's easier to illegaly deny them benefits is untrue. I think it's most likely that your friend is angry and merely surmised as to the reason for his termination, especially considering that it would be very poor common sense for an employer to tell the guy he just fired that he's doing it to hire someone else illegally.

In some cases, it might be true that illegals are willing to work without optional benefits that native born workers might refuse to work without. That would be competition within legal bounds, and it's most likely rare, given the industries that illegals tend towards.
 
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Ahenry,
I'd be happy to if you could direct me to the posting # so I could find it.

You likely won't agree nor like how I deal with hypotheticals. I also only deal in my own personal experience that is vastly different than yours apparently. I guess I've been hanging out on the right side of the tracks, or perhaps once you gain a proficiency in Spanish and can actually converse with some of these folks, (if you do), you realize that they're human.

O'Riley and Lou Dobbs make a fortune stoking the flames of resentment. I don't usually fall for that. It isn't like our borders have ever been secure and there is a good reason for it. The expense would be enormous compared to the benefits of enforcement.
 
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