U.N. making homeschooling illegal?

I spent a lot of time and energy raising my children, all of whom have become stellar adults
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You did the one best thing you could do for your kids. You spent time with them. I think that, as much as anything else, contributes to success of our children. It sounds like your father believed this, too.

I was not trying to post a "brag rag" on my kids. Rather, I was trying to emphasize the lack of accountability in most public schools. My kids are just regular kids, held to a higher standard.

As far as the curriculum, many fine, accredited courses are out there. Christian courses tend to emphasize character building and moral values that are not taught in public school.

Antipitas has it right when he says there is too much interference at the Federal level. Those faceless bureaucrats, however well meaning, cannot know what is best for your child.

Accountability starts at home, with involved parents. Homeschooling forces kids to be accountable. It also forces accountability on parents. If you cannot accept this, then you should not be homeschooling.

I believe that public schools can work, with proper involvement of parents.
 
Right now there really are not any public schools. Too often the government schools don't want and sometimes won't allow parental involvement, or even try to teach against parental authority. To get back "public" schools we'd have a long road to travel from where we are.

Meanwhile, more to the original topic, I'd offer for consideration some of the anti-christian views, "extremist" and such, voiced here as potential reasons WHY such a UN effort would find allies in Leftist US judges. Also, the dismissive idea this would take 20 years is nice. Kinda funny even. Lose the Senate this next election. Elect Hillary or some equally leftist Dem in 2008. THEN we'll see how long it takes.
 
Well, if I'm opposed to Federal involvement in schools, imagine how much more opposed I am to U.N. participation.

Another layer of corruption.
 
Private schools also lack as extensive science and industrial programs, as well as fewer sports and other extra curricular activities.

The primary advantage private schools have is motivated parents, because they paid tuition. A public school will have every kind of student/parent combination, including both motivated and uninterested parents.
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I would submit private schools are better because

They have a flexibility of cirriculum that public shools cannot offer because of the multitude of federal and state laws.

In most public schools teachers may only have a teaching certificate and enough hours for a major in the subject they teach. While some private school teachers have degrees in the subjects they teach

I had the pleasure of seeing a woman we know again who went from public schools to a private school to teach. She said she can devote more time to the students because of less administrative burden placed on her in a private school. She was a very well recognized eacher within the public school winning some national awards.

discipline is not a problem in private schools, unlike public schools which have a duty to accept bad students back.

We have private schools here which are very competitive locally and in the state.
 
Eghad,

Most private schools have lower pay and benefits than public systems. I would like to see some stats that demonstrate that "In most public schools teachers may only have a teaching certificate and enough hours for a major in the subject they teach."

Most of the public school teachers I know have Masters degrees, because that grants them a higher pay scale.

That's a very noble theory, that private school teachers accept lower pay to avoid admin headaches, but it hardly sounds like a universal principle. Teachers like getting paid, too.
 
Just as all public schools aren't the same, neither are all private schools. I can assure you that the heavily-endowed private schools offer a great deal more, as far as science labs, etc, etc., than do an overwhelming majority of public schools.

Nothing that I've said should be taken as anti-Christian; just that the term "Christian" means different things to people of different denominations, or of no denomination. There are many fine folks who are Christians, in my humble opinion, in that they have accepted the promise of salvation so eloquently stated in the book of John, who don't homeschool. Most Christians, however, don't find it necessary to separate their children from the "others" and would not subject their children to the narrow dogma of many of those who are separatists from society.

I'm just as proud of my children and grandchildren as I suspect any of you are of your own. I just don't believe that my children and grandchildren would have benefited from their having been homeschooled.

I would still bet (not a very Christian thing to do, huh?) that over 90% of homeschooling is done by folks professing Christianity. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's only 89.9%. :)

Oh, one more thing: The examples that I quoted above regarding the age of the Earth and the origin of fossil fuels were read by me from a text that's common to homeschoolers. I believe the text originates in some little Baptist college in Pensacola, FL.
 
Then why don't you drop the chistian bashing assurordeutlich.

I don't see why you even brought it up, it has nothing o do with the damn thread!
 
It does speak to the quality of some home educations.


I recall walking through a homeschool book fair. Several of the "math" books had nearly 50% of each page dedicated to scripture.
 
Okay, back on topic. The UN will never have the power or wherewithall to affect things like guns, education or anything else in powerful member countries, least of all the US. This topic is pointless and largely a work of fiction by people who could be concerned with actual problems we have in the US, rather than what the powerless bogeymen at the UN are doing.

How's that?
 
Much better.

They also said man would NEVER land on he moon.

And I still disagree with you, the UN should not even be talking about how we school our kids, PERIOD.

The UN is INEPT.
 
The UN isn't talking about us at all. That is a fanatasy on the part of the article writer, not part of the text or intent of the UN draft.



Anyone who said we couldn't land on the moon doesn't grasp science. Anyone who says that the US of today is unlikely to be able to go back to the moon is a realistic commentator on the sad state of our society.
 
Every time someone writes a story about how the UN will take away our (Guns / Homeschoolin' / 4WD Trucks / TVs ), a little fearmonger angel gets it's wings.

I was homeschooled. I got to know a whooole lot of elitist snotbrats (and a sprinkling of white supremacists- this was the south) who consider themselves to be the best and brightest, the type that can't get enough of putting down public schools. Don't start on how some 15 year old kid bangs out a bad pulp fantasy novel and starts being trumpeted about as a triumph of home ed. Now, I have more than enough to say about the sad state of our system of education, but I don't go along with the popular line that 'public educated' kids are subhuman and untermensch just because they weren't fortunate to be born to parents with the financial ability, education, and motivation to home educate their kids. And that socialization thing? It's true.

My dad was a biology professor at Tennessee Wesleyan and my mom was once an english teacher, and they got a lot of resentment from the local 'homeschool community'. People with actual credentials usually do, not to mention that he was an old earth creationist who wasn't impressed with pseudoscience like "Dr. Dino" or "Ken Ham". Unfortunately I was a horrible self motivator as a kid, probably gifted at the time and extremely bored with most stuff.. more at home with my dad's biology coursework and tests that I would get to look through than anything else, but never got to take any of that potential anywhere. In a P.S., I would have made it past eight grade. I never finished school when my dad died, but the start they were able to give me and the environment of being around intelligent people as I grew up gave me enough foundation to have every person that meets me assume that I'm a college grad. I usually don't disabuse them of this notion. Eventually I'll have built up enough money to fabricate a high school transcript with appropriate grades and buy my way into a college where I can enrich myself for personal pleasure and advancement. Until then, I'm stuck with my natural manipulative abilities, a quick brain, and not much else besides bitterness.

Point being is that I can visualize the personality type of the guy banging this scare tactics junk out down to the details, and I'd really like to kick them in the shins and force them to go outside like a normal person. Yeah, the UN is bad. Scaring people about non-issues isn't the way to deal with it.
 
This topic is pointless and largely a work of fiction by people who could be concerned with actual problems we have in the US, rather than what the powerless bogeymen at the UN are doing.
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That pretty much sums up this thread, and all the other UN-themed threads that pop up with depressing regularity.

If people were half as concerend with their own politicians dismantling our freedoms as they are with the paper tiger U.N. (which only has power whenever we choose to give it to them by way of troops), the country wouldn't be in the dire shape it's in.
 
And Kloos pretty well sums up the prevailing attitude around this place, recently, and why so many are posting less and less. It's not that ridiculous "award", it's simply an attitude of "why bother anymore". Frankly, Kloos, if you believe what you just said then you have no business commenting on issues at all. The entire point of this thread and others, since you and others CLEARLY missed it, is NOT the enfocement power of the UN...

It's the manipulation of our laws by activist judges and amoral politicians here at home under cover of treaties and proposals from outside our nation and government. No, the UN can't enforce anything(yet) but it can create ideas and people here at home, aided by those determined to repeat the mantra "it can't happen here", CAN legislate and mandate and enforce such things. If we let it happen.

It appears from these threads, placed among a group as knowledeable and active as any in the nation, that a big part of the population is determined to do just that.

Heist, your entire post is a fantasy. The huge bulk of homeschoolers are not wealthy, no better educated than anyone else and excel only in motivation. Meanwhile nobody here, nor any homeschoolers I have known, ever referred to the students of public schools as somehow subhuman. ALL problems focus on the system, not the victims of it. So you pulled that strawman out of the sparkling shallows of your own imagination. The fact the staff felt the need to dismiss the entire thread when they clearly didn't get it anyway, yet allowed that broad-brush crap to fly unremarked, is another indicator of just how odd TFL has become lately.
 
It's the manipulation of our laws by activist judges and amoral politicians here at home under cover of treaties and proposals from outside our nation and government. No, the UN can't enforce anything(yet) but it can create ideas and people here at home, aided by those determined to repeat the mantra "it can't happen here", CAN legislate and mandate and enforce such things. If we let it happen.
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Actually, it's more about the incredibly remote chance that such a thing could come to pass, the infinitely small possibility that the UN might actually affect the direction of US educational policy, let alone any domestic US policy. So, as things stand now and are likely to stand for the forseeable future, "it can't happen here."

You might regard activist judges and amoral politicians as a problem, but they don't need the aegis of the UN to do what they might want to do.

Dare I do it ... +1 Marko Kloos. :-)
 
It's the manipulation of our laws by activist judges and amoral politicians here at home under cover of treaties and proposals from outside our nation and government.
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Please site some examples of foreign or UN proposals or mandates being used to manipulate our law. Treaties ARE law, once we sign them. Judges do not have the power to enforce proposals, and they are supposed to enforce treaties that Congress has ratified.

No, the UN can't enforce anything(yet) but it can create ideas and people here at home, aided by those determined to repeat the mantra "it can't happen here", CAN legislate and mandate and enforce such things. If we let it happen.
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What an interesting statement. Are we now afraid of ideas?

What you're missing is the underlying truth of your last statement "If we let it happen". All some of us, including Marko, are pointing out is that the UN is no better than a lobbiest, ambassador or private citizen. It has the ability to speak to our government, make requests and recommendations. Just like you do. What we are saying is that you are giving the UN credit for somehow being more influential, powerful or effective in swaying our electorate than any other group, and we don't understand why.

Why is it you think the UN can do things to change the minds of Americans that no other entity can? That's all it is - influence. "If we let it happen." We, being Americans, are a sovereign nation, fully capable and historically happy to defy the UN or anyone else whenever we choose to.


Putting a ban on homeschooling is wrong. It would be wrong if it was GW's idea, your idea, or the UN's idea. But it is only an idea, and its source is less important than the idea itself. The people to watch are the people that make law. Luckily, you have a say in who they are.


An excellent thread topic would be an expose' on lawmakers that are overly influenced by the UN or other foreign agents.
 
Leif,

I'm speaking from personal experience, in multiple states. Sorry if it doesn't coincide with your own view. I never said homeschoolers were rich. I said they're financially able to do it. Many families would not be able to in today's culture.

Whether I agree with the idea of wageslaving your life away for payments on that house, car, and bigscreen is another issue altogether.
 
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