Trapped into a mouse gun

It doesn't matter. What does matter is me trying to engage someone like the Tucson nut at reasonable range and have you blazing away from the far end of the parking lot into a crowd (your scenario, not mine). I don't want to be there. 'Nuff said. I guess we can agree to disagree.
 
You are standing in Wal-Mart. Your wife is about 50 yards away. She standing 20 feet away from the M-1 Abrams that just blew down the front wall of the store. It is about to shoot her next.
If your were of superior intelligence like me you would have an anti-tank gun in your pocket and would immediately put a round through the drivers view port. You can't duplicate this feat? Well you are obviously incompetent and just don't get out enough.
I bet I haven't convinced anyone to carry an anti-tank gun with this condescending and confrontational post. Is anyone starting to get the drift.
 
The little pocket guns are more difficult to shoot well and accurately. I would highly suggest that anyone who after due consideration decides to carry one of these pocket guns should practice with it extensively to help overcome the difficulty in shooting one accurately. Or they should consider carrying a bigger more effective gun in my humble opinion.
Gee, how much better it is when you try to offer helpful advise instead of trying to prove you are right at any cost.
 
How can you disagree, if you havent even made an effort to try?

The only way we learn and move ahead, is to push ourselves to failure on the practice range. You learn more from trying and failing than you do from being perfect over and over again at your self imposed limit.

I think some of the problem here is, people are in mouse gun mode, and have already accepted they are limited in their expectations, and assume thats it, no one can do better and why would you try.

Maybe the better title for this thread would be..."Why I just gave up trying, and settled for a mouse gun".
 
Or they should consider carrying a bigger more effective gun in my humble opinion.
Gee, how much better it is when you try to offer helpful advise instead of trying to prove you are right at any cost..
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The thread starts on page one. Catch up. :rolleyes:
 
I've been working with guns for 35+ years. I imagine I know the best gun for me to carry.
As a matter of fact, my wife carries a P32 also.
 
Bill Deshivs, I for one give you credit for being an intelligent adult and for having thought through your choice of gun. For all I know you are an expert shooter and may have killed 20 men in stand up gun duels. After all you too could be anyone.:) After all what do most of us really know about each other. As far as we know any one of us could be anyone. To adopt a superior attitude with someone you really know nothing about, well, what can I say.
 
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Pretty preachy, AK. You just don't get the point. I train for what I realistically believe are threats I will encounter. If carrying a smaller gun and training at shorter ranges makes me inferior to you, I guess I just have to bite that bullet.

Sorry. I gotta ask this one more time and I'll stop. You have never directly answered the original query I called you on:

Your Exact Quote:
"Your wife is standing 20 feet from someone across the front of the store, who just shot the congress woman standing next to her, and is about to shoot her. Are you starting to get the drift?"

We have a Tucson scenario you painted, except I think most of his victims were closer than 20 feet. The gunman is about to shoot your wife, and, as at Tucson, he is surrounded by innocent people, some up, some (shot) down. You are 50 yards away. You have just a few seconds before he shoots your wife.
Are you going to take the shot at 50 yards with complete confidence you will hit him and not an innocent bystander? Simple yes or no.
 
Couldbeanyone-
I could be anyone, but I'm not.
I have not displayed a superior attitude about anything except the gun I choose to carry for myself, not anyone else.
Even though I could be anyone, I'm myself-and I choose to carry guns based on my criteria, for my purposes. I didn't say my choices could be right for anyone else.
For anyone else-choose your gun to fit your own criteria. The person you have to shoot at could be anyone.
 
Bill Deshivs, you have made my point exactly. As I said, I give you credit for having enough intelligence and enough forethought to make your own informed choice of what gun is right for you. If you interpreted my statements as anything else, I apologize. I have found your posts on subjects to be well thought out, concise and above all respectfull. For that I respect you and your opinions.
My point about could be anyone was that simply some people consider themselves to be so far above everyone else, who they don't even know, that they can tell them what is good for them. and I am not referring to you.
Once again, I apologize if you took my remarks as in anyway reflecting on you.
 
Why not get a small frame gun that shoots a powerful bullet (.357mag 5 shot revolver)? Best of both worlds, and if you ever have to use it your hand hurting for a couple days will be the least of your worries.
 
Why not get a small frame gun that shoots a powerful bullet (.357mag 5 shot revolver)? Best of both worlds, and if you ever have to use it your hand hurting for a couple days will be the least of your worries.
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I have owned a couple of those over the years (lightweight little .357 snubbies), problem for me is that I don't enjoy shooting them and for me practicing with a carry gun is non-negotiable.

So then download them to .38 Special, and now you could be into .380ish territory real quick, and the little .380s hold more, hurt less (your hand) and are easier to conceal.

YMM(and should)V
 
then shoot .38's outta the thing to practice and save the thumpers for the bad guys. Ya thats not idea, but you can at least practice everything except for the recoil.
 
Just my .02$- (.01$ after our Dear Leader gets his cut)

I would like to chime in here before this thing gets closed, which could be any minute now, if we all don't calm down a little. And that would be a shame, as this IS A VIABLE TOPIC, but needs to be discussed with a little less animosity.
Everone here agrees on one thing, that is the idea of carrying is a good thing. So I propose that we all have this in common, and proceed from there.
This is a commenality that we all share.
Before it all gets shut down, I would like to get my two cents in.
First, I am with those who choose to carry a larger gun than some, but not as large as others. As I have posted on TFL before, MY choice of carry for the moment is a 340pd. And I choose to carry it with handloads, which is a discussion for, well, many other threads. I will at some point switch to another carry gun, for the simple reason that even with the loads I have worked up for it, a 125gr. JHP @1170fps., is more comfortable to practice with than the full house Rem., Win., Buffalo Bore, or CorBon stuff I have tried, it is still to stiff to shoot 50 or more rounds a week in my old arthritic hands.
As to the posters arguing about a 50 yard shot, yes, if you practice enough there is no doubt that it can be made, even under duress by a compitant shooter. I ring my gong with my 340pd. at 100 yards about 50% of the time, because I PRACTICE. And from long experience being around other shooters, I consider myself to be in the "Barely Competent" category. Can I say that I will do that in a real life self defense situation?
Of course not, because I have not had the experience in real life. But I know that I am capable of doing it. Weather or not it is a good idea to engage someone at that distance is another question altogether. It would depend on what is going on at the time. If it happens, there is no way to know what the situation will be. Saying that you can even envision what, when, how, where, or how many perps there will be, is ludicrous. A few years back, in the small town where I live I walked out of the Walmart and saw a 350lb. man who was enraged, acting in an extremely aggresive manner, screaming at everyone in the lot, scaring the heck out of everyone. He was standing next to my car! He was about 60 yards away from me when I saw him. Fortunately, he stomped away from my car before I had to make a descision as to what to do. A week earlier, when I was in the same store, I left my wife in the car when I went in. Think about that for a minute.
This comes to caliber, I would not have felt comfortable using a .380 to defend my wife against this man. Heck, I wasn't real happy with a .357, but I sure would have wanted a bigger gun than a smaller one!
I do not begrudge anyone in what they think is the proper gun to carry, I just gave my thoughts and experiences.
JMHO, and as always, YMMV.
Willy
 
That 350lbs man would be taken down by a .380 or even a .22 just as easily as a 150lbs-200lbs guy would. At that massive weight, he's got more potential issues than most. You are certainly working off of perception here which is understandable. At that weight, survivability from small things and trauma in general is a lot worse than in an average weight guy. The 200lbs guy is tons healtheir and will deal with gunshot much better. JMHO we are not talking cows or buffalo here, that is barely healthy at that weight and probably needs to weigh a good deal more, and wont die easily from even a 9mm unless its straight to the skull or heart. Humans die far more easily.

Now shot placement will have much more of an outcome determinant than calibre as we all know. a .45 to the extremities (not center mass or head) will have not that much more of an effect than a .22 obviously. A .22 to the heart or spleen probably kill you as dead as any .45. The .45 will do a heck a lot more damage yes, but its all relative. If I am the 350 lbs guy, trust me I am not going to stand there take even a .22 :D But what do I know, that's just me, and I have never been nor do I plan to ever be a perp.
 
Has anyone else out there looked down at your small carry gun and wondered "How did I get to this point?"
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No.

If so, what did you do about it, or do you still carry a mouse gun?
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Quit making excuses and accept responsibility for your own actions.

Carry a mouse gun if YOU want to carry a mouse gun. If you don't, than make the adjustments needed to carry the gun YOU want to carry.
 
WOW
This was not supposed to be an argumentative thread about what is better, a mouse gun or a full sized gun. I will never argue that if something happened I would be better off with a small gun. Of course I would be better off with a full sized gun. For that matter I would be better off with 2 full sized guns, multiple mags, 2 BUGs, a knife, cell phone, tactical flashlight, and have the local SWAT team on speed dial!

The point of the post is that dependant on lifestyle, percieved threat level, and (if we are honest with ourselves) commitment to carrying, people fall into one of three categories:
1) Mouse guns are not enough
2) Mouse guns serve my purpose and I am comfortable carrying one
3) Mouse guns are enough for any situation I think I may end up in, but I would like to be better prepared (my category)

I thought I could get some reasonable insight from people in my situation, and early on in the thread I did. But aside from some sporadic good posts this has turned into a bashing session.

Here's an idea: If you hate mouse guns so much either be constructive about converting people to your thought process, or don't participate in threads with "mouse gun" in the title.

This thread should just be closed. It is no longer usefull.
 
It appears that this thread has maybe gotten back on track, a civil conversation between adult equals. For my part in getting this off track I apologize. I would just prefer to have a civil discourse instead of receiving a lecture from a self appointed superior.
I hope this thread can stay open as it appears to be back on track and it is a valid subject. Mouse guns may be marginally less effective and harder to shoot well. We might all do well to review the reasons we had to choose what we carry from time to time. I know that I do. This all is just my humble opinion. Once again, my apologies.
 
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