The "Where is everything?" thread -- guns, ammo, primers, powder, etc.

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Not everyone that has 22's has one that will shoot shorts, or longs either for that matter. It seemed like the price of shorts went up before the shortage because of being more of a speciality round
 
You can blame the hoarders and preppers. People with massive stockpiles of 22lr they've been saving up for that delusional situation that'll never happen.
 
You can blame the hoarders and preppers. People with massive stockpiles of 22lr they've been saving up for that delusional situation that'll never happen.
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Just think of the lawn sales after these people die...
 
After the first Obama election,,,

After the first Obama election,,,
22 LR ammo disappeared very quickly.

I remember when I went to the range I stopped at Wal Mart to buy some .22,,,
All they had for sale was 5 or 6 boxes of .22 shorts,,,
I snagged 'em up and nursed 'em all summer.

They worked just fine in my revolvers and single-shot rifles.

Aarond

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It's funny, I can't tell you the last time I saw a box of .22 longs. The .22 short and .22LR used to be common. Heck I only have 2 guns that could use the .22 long anyways. They both will fire .22 short, long, and long rifle. The pistol will fire .22 magnum with a cylinder change.
 
You can blame the hoarders and preppers. People with massive stockpiles of 22lr they've been saving up for that delusional situation that'll never happen.
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The only person I blame for my lack of 22 ammo is myself. I knew this would happen, I bought centerfire components instead. Fool me twice... shame on me.

I have a hard time accepting that what another american buys with his money is any of my business.

22 shorts are long gone here too but they hung around for longer than long rifle. I picked up a few at the beginning of the shortage, I like shooting them in my levergun and I'm hoping to buy my daughter a youth 22 this year.
 
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The bass pro in Harrisburg PA had Win .22 shorts for 1.99 for 50. I bought 2 boxes. Thats all they would let me but I hate to admit it but I would have bought the majority of them if I would have been able to. I have a Colt Jr. and it had been so long since I shot it.....
 
just hide some boxes in the clothes racks and pick them up over the week,
no skin off my bones if one of the dealers and "preppers" that wait in line in the morning wont get any, i want to shoot.
 
I won't take responsibility for the current shortages, most of my "stockpile" was built up over time before all of this panic buying.
 
Grand Forks ND

Ammo is on the shelves except for 22 RF. none ever! Also a shortage of gun powder. Scheel's used to carry maybe 500# (guess) but might find #50 of rifle mag powder. Nothing for pistol or AR's
I wonder if the 22RF shortage is the government? The economy is not getting better and they might fear the public as there is probably a 22 rifle in every house.
 
Saw Remington Thunderbolt .22LR on the shelf at my local gun shop. A 500 round pack for $29.99--not a great deal, but at least not crazy high. They only had one box on the shelf but I was in the store for awhile and noticed that after that box was purchased and the purchaser left, they put out another identical box in its place.
I wonder if the 22RF shortage is the government?
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No, it's not. It's us. People got panicked and cleaned out the supply chain. Then they got even more panicked when the shelves emptied and started buying everything they could find, even at absolutely mouth-frothing-crazy prices. It's going to be awhile until things get all the way back to normal.

The first step in that process is that the number of people still scarfing up any .22LR ammo they can find, even at nutty prices, are going to have to either calm down or run out of money. Then it's still going to take some time to refill the supply chain to get things back the way they were.
 
Self fullfilling prophecy

This situation is as JohnKSa described. When Obama was close to election in 2008 things went crazy. It wasn't the government, it was buyers. Same deal in 2012---when Obama went ahead in the polls, magic happened and POOF! Nothing to buy. Still not the government. But commonly some people like to promote the theory that we are soon to be under siege. The outcome:
1. Some shooters have stockpiled a lot more than they need.
2. Some shooters have had to struggle like heck to find anything to shoot.
3. Some scalpers have made money by buying up everything they can get their hands on and ripping off desperate people.
4. Ammunition makers are making good profits as everything they can produce goes out the door.
5. Prices at retailers have generally across the board gone up, in some cases a lot.
6. Some of us are smugly enjoying this (you figure out which ones.)
7. Some of us are p.oed about this, and rightly so.
 
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My wife who is in management at Walmart told me that they discussed the ammo issue in a management meeting this morning.

She said that the word is that the government is buying up loads of stuff under the guise of supplying the military, but with the intent to drive the US producers out of business and out source it to outside the states.

I am not sure of their source, but my belief is that the fear that many people have of the people currently in power taking away our firearms, is causing them to buy more than they would normally do. then add to it that there has to be some truth to the government buying up ammo and then add the fact that there are millions of new shooters out there because of the politics and you have the perfect storm.

I think like the gas shortages of past, and bad Chinese food this too will pass. In the mean time we have to pay more to shoot.

so, don't panic.

Mel
 
That's called a conspiracy theory.

It's been flying around for literally YEARS.

It has nothing at all to do with reality.

NOTHING.

I was hearing the EXACT SAME RUMOR when I was working for American Rifleman back in the early 1990s.
 
I partially agree, Mike. I think this theory is out there scaring enough people or should I say Sheeple, that many of these folks are buying whenever they see it and even going out of their way to get up and stand in lines to get it with no intention of shooting.

Add to that the prepper craze! 22lr is the perfect prepper round. Then all the other things mentioned and you have the perfect storm.

At my wife's store, they put all the ammo out at 8PM. She can call me during the day when it comes in and I can be there to pick it up. I don't because I just don't want to make things worse. I have 3k rounds in reserve and in the mean time I shoot my 40 or 45.

Mel
 
...then add to it that there has to be some truth to the government buying up ammo...
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The statistics show that the government is almost certainly buying less ammo than it has in recent years past. There is absolutely no truth to the rumor that the shortage is due to government ammunition purchases. To the extent that the government is actually buying ammo (and it always is), all the facts point to the purchase amounts being the same or less than it usually buys--which, by the way, is only a tiny fraction of the U.S. supply.

The shortage is due to the shooting public buying ammunition at a rate faster than the manufacturers can make it. Plain and simple.

I think you'll continue to hear the rumors. The people who were supplementing their income by standing in line to clean off the shelves and then reselling it for ridiculous prices at the gunshows are going to do what they can to keep the panic alive. And some of the gun store owners who bought .22LR at panic prices just so they could have something on their shelves are also going to try to keep "passing along" the rumor until they can sell their overpriced stock.
 
The fear of the "conspiracy theory," combined with millions of new shooters, has led to panic buying and price gouging. Simply put, at this time, there is more demand than capacity. This causes the ammunition manufacturers to buy more components which in turn makes powders, primers, bullets and brass more difficult to find. While the component manufacturers are looking at increasing production, most will not add new lines as they know this new shortage won't last forever. I will buy prudently, when I find components on the shelf and leave some on the shelves for my fellow shooters. Factory ammunition is beginning to catch up with demand and components will follow.
 
I have a friend who works at Barry's and they are running every machine at 100% and making all the product they can.

My friends at High Country Ammo are running every machine at 100% capacity as well. they have also started running 4, 10 hour days which seems to them that they are actually able to make more rounds per hour.

I just wish they would put on another shift to run the other three days. The issue they say is the machinery breaks if it isn't stopped and maintained regularly, so the 4, 10 hour days works well.

As for the government rumor, I know that the department I worked for is buying more. So is this an indication of some truth to the rumor? I think so.

Mel
 
So is this an indication of some truth to the rumor? I think so.
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While it may be true that one particular governmental group may have increased their purchases, there isn't any evidence to show that overall government ammo purchases have increased and plenty to show that they appear to have decreased over the past few years.

But that's a red herring in the first place. The amount of ammunition that the government uses is only a tiny fraction of the ammunition supply. Even if they doubled what they normally buy, it would STILL be only a tiny fraction of the ammunition supply.

There is no truth to the rumor that the shortage is due to the government buying up ammunition.
 
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