progunner1957
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That would be called treason.
Hey, as long as they are socialists, they can do whatever they want and We The People are supposed to keep our mouths shut about it.
Just like when socialist Bill Clinton was in office...
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Just like when socialist Bill Clinton was in office...
You've got to be kidding me, right? If I am the democratic party...I don't say, "We're going to take away all your guns and make you feel insecure." That's rediculous. That's the same as a thief knocking on your door and telling you that he's going to break into your house this coming saturday night.
They EXPLICITLY advocate socialist in their POLICIES, not their webpage!!!!!!
This is exactly the type of thing that infuriates me most. When somebody makes a rhetorical statement, then somebody else asks that they verify or prove their statement with well-documented fact, a good portion of the time the person who questions the rhetoric simply is answered with more rhetoric.
The assignment as described in post 33 is pretty straightfoward. Should I explain it more clearly?
Edit: so Supertac, identify the policies in question.
The assignment as described in post 33 is pretty straightfoward. Should I explain it more clearly?
Edit: so Supertac, identify the policies in question.
spacemanspiff
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i wasnt aware there were multiple definitions of the classical, elegant, dignified, elite, eloquent "Socialism".
I simply answer foolish statements with common sense. There's no need to get into a longwinded debate using many superfluous words for something that can be seen by using simple logic. I hate how elitists want to sit and have a "discussion" about things that you shouldn't even have to discuss.
Policies: I REALLY, REALLY refuse to believe that you don't see that just about EVERY policy that the Dems try to make are flat out SOCIALIST!! Many of these issues are put forth by REPUBLICANS as well. Personally, I think that they're turning into socialists as well.
Gov't run/paid education
Gov't run/paid healthcare
Gov't run/paid retirement
Gov't run/paid afterschool programs
Gun control
Anti-Christian outlook (calling everything with God in it unconstitutional)
They put forth innitiatives that make teachers have more authority than parents of their kids lives (abortion during school hours, no parent notification)
Tax, tax, tax so we can hand out more money to those who don't deserve
False charity. Charity is willing giving, not forced redistributing.
There's miriads of other examples!! I'd venture to say that EVERY social/economic policy that they hold to is socialistic.
PS: PLEASE don't post your wikipedia "definition" of socialism....I've read the whole thing myself and still stand on this view.
Spacemanspiff, fine, bad choice of words. Use whatever definition you want, as I'm fairly certain that people who intertwine "Democrat" and "socialist" haven't got a fairly good working definition of either.
I'm sooo close to being done with this site, or at least the Legal and Political forum. Utter waste of time.
I'm sooo close to being done with this site, or at least the Legal and Political forum. Utter waste of time.
Leif
In the other thread posters better stated my view than I could so I left what was said as answer enough. If you don't agree with what they said then there is no use me repeating it.
Again another posted the truth about democrats and gun control but the only thing he left out is "Why do democrats always have to defend themselves from their anti gun stance? Because they are anti gun. You may not see this to be true but look at what party all the anti gunners belong to.
It seems as though when the truth is pointed out you want to brush it aside and say "Oh that's just them". Democrats want our guns and that is the truth based on the actions of democrats in the past.
Regardless of whether this statement is correct or incorrect, how is the Republican Party, or any given political party currently
For the people means we are allowed our guns for personal protection, our homes and families. If you denie this to people you are unfit to rule IMHO.
Simply put, I have lived long enough to see over and over again the democrats trying to steal our gun.
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Try to keep in mind San Francisco, or even California, is not the entire Democratic Party.
Lets try to be a little clear here, yes the democrats are doing everything they can against gun ownership in California, just like they have in NY and DC and every other democrat stronghold.
In the other thread posters better stated my view than I could so I left what was said as answer enough. If you don't agree with what they said then there is no use me repeating it.
Again another posted the truth about democrats and gun control but the only thing he left out is "Why do democrats always have to defend themselves from their anti gun stance? Because they are anti gun. You may not see this to be true but look at what party all the anti gunners belong to.
It seems as though when the truth is pointed out you want to brush it aside and say "Oh that's just them". Democrats want our guns and that is the truth based on the actions of democrats in the past.
Regardless of whether this statement is correct or incorrect, how is the Republican Party, or any given political party currently
For the people means we are allowed our guns for personal protection, our homes and families. If you denie this to people you are unfit to rule IMHO.
Simply put, I have lived long enough to see over and over again the democrats trying to steal our gun.
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Try to keep in mind San Francisco, or even California, is not the entire Democratic Party.
Lets try to be a little clear here, yes the democrats are doing everything they can against gun ownership in California, just like they have in NY and DC and every other democrat stronghold.
spacemanspiff
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to be fair, democrats want us to give our guns to the government that they fear and hate the most.
sadly, the irony is completely lost with them:
oooo, its a horrible violent tyrannical government! quick give it your only means of defense!
sadly, the irony is completely lost with them:
oooo, its a horrible violent tyrannical government! quick give it your only means of defense!
Yeah but should we even be in those countries in the first place? I thought it might be a good idea to focus those assets toward more productive measures, such as protecting our borders.
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Actually, they were kicked out. The pilgrims did not leave voluntarily, they were ordered to leave or wind up in prison. The funny part is that they came here to escape religious persecution in order to establish one of the most strict and evil forms of christianity that ever existed.
But they had a good point in the whole "freedom of religion" thing once they decided to revolt.
I find it funny to see y'all arguing about the two parties like this. What I enjoy most is seeing the republicans complain about the democrats wanting to push for more gun control. The irony is that republicans demand the freedom to own guns yet at the same time demand the authority to tell specific groups of people they're not allowed to marry or to tell women what they can and can't do with their own bodies and to tell all adults what chemicals they're allowed to put into their own bodies.
On the other hand it's equally as hilarious when democrats complain about how the republicans are greedy war mongers when the only reason that so many other countries even have their social services is because we spend more than half our budget on not only national defense but international defense. Maybe our world would be a better place is both sides stopped trying to interfere in the lives of the people. I thought governments were supposed to be "for the people"; so far it seems that they only serve to get in the way.
Then again I'm young and idealistic but in my humble opinion both parties are equally as ridiculous and anti-constitution.
I agree with parts of your arguement. I don't see how our country has this "evil Christianity" that you speak of.
If you want to talk about abortion, I don't think they care what a woman does to her own body. It's what she does to the BABY'S BODY that matters. Cutting up, sucking the brains out, or burning a living human shouldn't be the right of ANYONE!!
Few people remember what started the Waco dissaster but it wasn't because Koresh had gone to a religous fringe, it was because the government didn't want him to have what they said were illegal guns. Who was in power and how did they handle it? Do you want to give up your guns to the same people that called the military in to torch peoples homes?
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Sorry, I probably shouldn't have used the word "evil" but the purists were still pretty ironic in that they wanted the freedom to practice a very strict form of christianity that demanded the deaths of savages that wouldn't convert...as well as the horrid "witches" they kept finding in their midsts. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we're under the influence of this religion today. My point was that Brewster and Co. were told to leave England or face consequences for going against the church of england (yet another ridiculous sect of christianity).
I understand your point, I guess it all depends on your definition of a human being. Some simply don't see a person until birth, others see it at conception, still others only at brain activity. I'm agnostic, I don't believe in a soul. I define a person strictly on the biological terms. Thus I don't believe a fetus is an actual person until there's verifiable brain activity. Even then I still believe that until birth a fetus is a part of a woman's body.
But even with the abortion issue aside, republicans still want to control certain aspects of people's lives just like democrats want to control certain aspects of people's lives. Neither party is more for "freedom" than the other, they're both out to control how we live. I don't mean to offend anyone, I just find it humorous that "freedom" to many people only extends until they see someone with the freedom to do something they don't like.
spacemanspiff
New member
what model25? no no no no no!
NO! koresh was molesting kids and encouraging his followers to kill innocent people! said so right on the tv!
i mean, the gall to insinuate that the waco tragedy was simply over a supposed tax not paid to the ATF, thats just preposterous!
NO! koresh was molesting kids and encouraging his followers to kill innocent people! said so right on the tv!
i mean, the gall to insinuate that the waco tragedy was simply over a supposed tax not paid to the ATF, thats just preposterous! i mean, the gall to insinuate that the waco tragedy was simply over a supposed tax not paid to the ATF, thats just preposterous!
Yep that was the demos policy back then, send in the ATF on child endagerment cases
And the military comes in to burn your house after
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Lief
I have given you just a few examples to prove my charge that the democrats are for strict gun control. Do you agree or dissagree with the charge?
Yep that was the demos policy back then, send in the ATF on child endagerment cases
And the military comes in to burn your house after
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Lief
I have given you just a few examples to prove my charge that the democrats are for strict gun control. Do you agree or dissagree with the charge?
Oh but there is verifiable brain activity LONG before birth. You should do a little research on this topic. A "fetus" could survive if taken out of the mother VERY early on. My cousin was born almost 3 months early, was she not a human until her due date? Get my drift. She did survive and is a happy little girl now. At 6 months in the womb, she was still a prime candidate for abortion.
Thanks for your reply Red.
It is sadly true that both Dems and Reps have FAR too much reach into our lives. I however, believe that they must in SOME areas.