the way of the democrat
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larvatus,
Thank you. It's just that I don't like that word and I appreciate it.
True, the democrats don't seem to have a plan, any plan, except to tuck tail and run when it comes to certain overseas issues.
Me, I look at it this way, we are there. We haven't had an attack on our soil in over 4 years, we are destroying them there, not here.
Also, from being over there and seeing things first hand (not in Iraq itself but in the middle east), I still say that what we've done is a good and honorable thing. Our enlisted know this or they can start the paperwork to get out, there are ways. Same with the officers.
To help all those that say that we should just get out or set a time frame, we are still in Germany, in Japan, in Korea. How long has it been since the end of those wars? If I was GWB I would set a time frame, I would say 100 years or sooner if everything works out. Hey, it's a time frame right? So the people will know and the dems will shut up, in 100 years, we're outta there for good. If they want to try to stick around to hold GWB to it, then more power to them.
As for Bush lying, why is it that the dems have such a short term memory? When Clinton and all the rest of them agreed that Saddam was a threat, there wasn't a problem, but when GWB says it, and the dems agreed so they gave him the vote to do whatever was needed, it's now wrong and Saddam wasn't a threat.
For the women here that think that this was wrong, dress up in a black dress with head covering and then speak out against your husband or try to go to school, or heck, try to walk around in the clothes you wear now. BUT, ensure that the laws are in place that they had and after you got beaten, raped, or jailed then come back and say that we did wrong.
For the men. Talk badly about the government and it's leader, but ensure that the laws of Saddam are in place. Don't come crying to us when you are shot, blown up, gassed, and tortured by the very same government.
You know, sometimes you have to stand up for what is right. Not just say "well, it's their laws". Wrong is wrong and it takes another that is stronger to ensure that right is made out of a wrong.
We are the only superpower on the earth at the moment, so it's about time that the big guy stood up for the little one.
Wayne
Thank you. It's just that I don't like that word and I appreciate it.
True, the democrats don't seem to have a plan, any plan, except to tuck tail and run when it comes to certain overseas issues.
Me, I look at it this way, we are there. We haven't had an attack on our soil in over 4 years, we are destroying them there, not here.
Also, from being over there and seeing things first hand (not in Iraq itself but in the middle east), I still say that what we've done is a good and honorable thing. Our enlisted know this or they can start the paperwork to get out, there are ways. Same with the officers.
To help all those that say that we should just get out or set a time frame, we are still in Germany, in Japan, in Korea. How long has it been since the end of those wars? If I was GWB I would set a time frame, I would say 100 years or sooner if everything works out. Hey, it's a time frame right? So the people will know and the dems will shut up, in 100 years, we're outta there for good. If they want to try to stick around to hold GWB to it, then more power to them.
As for Bush lying, why is it that the dems have such a short term memory? When Clinton and all the rest of them agreed that Saddam was a threat, there wasn't a problem, but when GWB says it, and the dems agreed so they gave him the vote to do whatever was needed, it's now wrong and Saddam wasn't a threat.
For the women here that think that this was wrong, dress up in a black dress with head covering and then speak out against your husband or try to go to school, or heck, try to walk around in the clothes you wear now. BUT, ensure that the laws are in place that they had and after you got beaten, raped, or jailed then come back and say that we did wrong.
For the men. Talk badly about the government and it's leader, but ensure that the laws of Saddam are in place. Don't come crying to us when you are shot, blown up, gassed, and tortured by the very same government.
You know, sometimes you have to stand up for what is right. Not just say "well, it's their laws". Wrong is wrong and it takes another that is stronger to ensure that right is made out of a wrong.
We are the only superpower on the earth at the moment, so it's about time that the big guy stood up for the little one.
Wayne
I know this is off topic, but so are most of the posts in here. I have an opinion as to why we have not been hit again. we are doing exactly what the terrorists want right now(see terrorism thread). I dont think their will be another attack here unless in 08 the new pres wants us out of iraq or is in favor of it. they would do this to either keep us there or get us involved somewhere else.
right now we have so many assests looking for them it is not worth the time, money, or people to throw down with us again. they can commit terrorism in other countries(where its easier). ok back on topic.
uh what?
I haven't said this, neither have many other regulars. Maybe some of the newer folks, they will learn the rules one way or the other.
I don't look at you as a socialist, a traitor, a commie picko scum, I look at you as a person that has a difference of opinion. I also see someone that allows others to "push" his buttons, not a good thing (only took me three boards to realize that, I never said that I was the sharpest tool in the shed).
It's the internet, it's not real. I understand what you are saying but you need to refute and debate based on fact, not emotion. Unfortunatly human nature says that you strike back with emotion and that destroys your arguement before you even start.
I like you. We may disagree on many issues but we have one thing in common, we like guns. Use that as a bond and then debate with the others that are hard corp. whatever using facts and not emotion.
You will have to carry your own on this and other gun boards. Is it fair, no, but life isn't fair. You are a minority amongst a sea of the majority that see things different from yourself. You have a hard row to hoe and I respect that, that you're still here. But you will have to defend your views and nothing beats a good string of facts and sources in which to do so.
Emotion will get you nowhere, you cannot win against the hard corp. but you can make the others think.
Best of luck to you. I really wish you success in some issues that I've read. You can't change the world but you can change one mind at a time if you are sincere about it.
Wayne
Noone,
Us or them? Sorry dude, I'm not a subscriber to the vast right wing conspiracy theory. And I will need you to show sources if you're talking of our government doing this. Heck, even if the terrorist are doing this.
It takes a man or a fellowship of men, to stick up for the small person who is being bullied. It takes another type of man, or men, to look away and do nothing when evil is being done.
Wayne
Us or them? Sorry dude, I'm not a subscriber to the vast right wing conspiracy theory. And I will need you to show sources if you're talking of our government doing this. Heck, even if the terrorist are doing this.
It takes a man or a fellowship of men, to stick up for the small person who is being bullied. It takes another type of man, or men, to look away and do nothing when evil is being done.
Wayne
Slang for red which is meant in the worst possible manner.
For some reason, pink became the color of "sissy's" or unmanly man. So therefore, if you were a "pinko" then you were less of a man and thus were considered unmanly, a sissy. Like the N word, was meant to be an insult.
And for the record, in no way do I consider Leif in such a manner. He has different opionions, the same as the rest of us, there is no need to think him as such.
Wayne
conspiracy theory? I think you read my post wrong. I was refering to islamic terrorists.
im still trying to figure this statement out. can you please explain who is the little guy.
edit: you want proof of what the terrorists are doing/thinking? sorry but I cannot answer that one. that post was just my opinion(off topic i might add) I was just voicing an opinion to see what some thought of it.
DonR101395
New member
[Quote:] I'm touchy because if I came on here and did the same thing in reverse, I'd get twenty-plus responses chastising me for being a Demosocialist traitor commie pinko scum, and I'm a little tired of it.
What's a pinko?
[Quote:]If you really think that Democrats suck, then write an intelligent post to that effect so that people can post intelligent responses to it ... and write it in your own words. I really detest pseudo-intellectual people who take and chop up texts not their own and try to pass it off as intelligent commentary.
IMHO democrats suck. (I never professed to be intellectual.)
You know, you've got some people (not many) who post here and make jokes about shooting liberals and about deporting people with whom they disagree. This isn't even necessarily within the political forum, but scattered throughout this site. Is it any wonder that a great many people, who might not otherwise, dismiss "firearms enthusiasts" as "dangerous gun nuts"?
IMO if you don't like the place you're in leave. That's what our ancestors did when they left England. They went to a new place away from England(but still under control of England) They got fed up in the new place and revolted. Might I suggest Virgin Islands, Guam, or Puerto Rico?
If you're here legally I would never want you deported unless you're not a citizen and can't/won't play by our rules. If you're here illegally you need to be deported, it's our law. It's a pretty easy concept. Follow the laws, work to legally change the laws you don't agree with, don't whine when you don't get your way, work some more to legally change the laws you don't agree with, break the law be prepared to pay the price for your actions without whining. If you're fed up and can't/won't play by the rules move someplace start your own revolution and become the leader of your new nation.
Democrats may suck, but they sure are entertaining.
Leif,
It's not personal I just thought you got wrapped around the axle over nothing.
What's a pinko?
[Quote:]If you really think that Democrats suck, then write an intelligent post to that effect so that people can post intelligent responses to it ... and write it in your own words. I really detest pseudo-intellectual people who take and chop up texts not their own and try to pass it off as intelligent commentary.
IMHO democrats suck. (I never professed to be intellectual.)
You know, you've got some people (not many) who post here and make jokes about shooting liberals and about deporting people with whom they disagree. This isn't even necessarily within the political forum, but scattered throughout this site. Is it any wonder that a great many people, who might not otherwise, dismiss "firearms enthusiasts" as "dangerous gun nuts"?
IMO if you don't like the place you're in leave. That's what our ancestors did when they left England. They went to a new place away from England(but still under control of England) They got fed up in the new place and revolted. Might I suggest Virgin Islands, Guam, or Puerto Rico?
If you're here legally I would never want you deported unless you're not a citizen and can't/won't play by our rules. If you're here illegally you need to be deported, it's our law. It's a pretty easy concept. Follow the laws, work to legally change the laws you don't agree with, don't whine when you don't get your way, work some more to legally change the laws you don't agree with, break the law be prepared to pay the price for your actions without whining. If you're fed up and can't/won't play by the rules move someplace start your own revolution and become the leader of your new nation.
Democrats may suck, but they sure are entertaining.
Leif,
It's not personal I just thought you got wrapped around the axle over nothing.
OK, it's definition time, as follows:
Democratic Party, United States = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)#Issues
Please pay particular attention to the section entitled "Issues" and the last paragraph on gun control.
Now check this link: http://www.democrats.org/. Please find exactly where it says that the Democratic Party will take away your guns, or that they feel Americans shouldn't feel "secure in their lives." Also, try to find where they explicitly advocate socialism in the classical sense of the word.
Try to keep in mind San Francisco, or even California, is not the entire Democratic Party.
In response to this statement:
Regardless of whether this statement is correct or incorrect, how is the Republican Party, or any given political party currently operating within the United States, any different, or any better or worse than the Democratic Party in this manner?
model 25, you have not responded to some questions that I asked of you within the "Dissent during Time of War" thread. If you would be so kind ...
Democratic Party, United States = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)#Issues
Please pay particular attention to the section entitled "Issues" and the last paragraph on gun control.
Now check this link: http://www.democrats.org/. Please find exactly where it says that the Democratic Party will take away your guns, or that they feel Americans shouldn't feel "secure in their lives." Also, try to find where they explicitly advocate socialism in the classical sense of the word.
Try to keep in mind San Francisco, or even California, is not the entire Democratic Party.
In response to this statement:
Regardless of whether this statement is correct or incorrect, how is the Republican Party, or any given political party currently operating within the United States, any different, or any better or worse than the Democratic Party in this manner?
model 25, you have not responded to some questions that I asked of you within the "Dissent during Time of War" thread. If you would be so kind ...
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DonR101395 stated the following:
The main problem with your statement is that one man's working for change within the law along the lines that they believe to be in the best interests of the country is another man's whining. I have a long way to go before I'm fed up and leaving the country is not on my horizon anytime soon.
For example, lots of people didn't like the now defunct AWB. Many people worked against it within the law. However, I don't recall anybody leaving the country because they didn't like it. Now, it would have been easy to dismiss activism against that law as "whining" and suggest that the "whiners" leave the country for less restrictive realms. IIRC, though, that type of rhetoric wasn't a significant part of the discussion at the time.
Another example: many people dislike the current legal status of abortion in this country and work actively against it within the legal framework of the nation. Should those people be dismissed as "whiners" and urged to move to a different country? (please note: this example is not intended to start a debate about abortion, but merely used here to illustrate a point)
Nobody's talking about breaking the law or living here illegally, though.
The main problem with your statement is that one man's working for change within the law along the lines that they believe to be in the best interests of the country is another man's whining. I have a long way to go before I'm fed up and leaving the country is not on my horizon anytime soon.
For example, lots of people didn't like the now defunct AWB. Many people worked against it within the law. However, I don't recall anybody leaving the country because they didn't like it. Now, it would have been easy to dismiss activism against that law as "whining" and suggest that the "whiners" leave the country for less restrictive realms. IIRC, though, that type of rhetoric wasn't a significant part of the discussion at the time.
Another example: many people dislike the current legal status of abortion in this country and work actively against it within the legal framework of the nation. Should those people be dismissed as "whiners" and urged to move to a different country? (please note: this example is not intended to start a debate about abortion, but merely used here to illustrate a point)
Nobody's talking about breaking the law or living here illegally, though.
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progunner1957
Moderator
WAAAAAAA!
progunner1957
Moderator
Then stop coming here.
Why waste your time attacking others at this forum when you could be doing volunteer work for the Million Mom March?? Obviously, that is where your heart lies.
progunner1957
Moderator
It's the socialism, stupid!!
The problem is not that the people who have taken over running the Democratic party are liberals, the problem is that they are socialists.
As I said in another post:
+1, Model 25
+1 again.
The problem is not that the people who have taken over running the Democratic party are liberals, the problem is that they are socialists.
As I said in another post:
azredhawk44
Moderator
Molon Labe, my friends. Molon Labe.
spacemanspiff
New member
remind me again which political party turned a blind eye to soviet spies in our government?
and which side is it, conservative or liberal, that openly panders and applauds any self-labeled 'intellectual' that finds some way to be sympathetic to communist dictators responsible for killing millions of their own citizens?