The truth about Iraq

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highways...govt spending created lots and lots of highways

see! they learnt SOMETHIN in skool. (ironically I went to highschool in AZ & GA, 49th & 50th for dropout rates...and teen pregnancy too! Only difference between the 2 was that god doesn't live in arizona, left those parts for the east coast)
 
I have never seen anyone who "Loves their AK" so much in in such a hurry to part with it. Vote Democrat! :rolleyes: LOL

To be honest I'm not a big fan of Bush. He has fallen short on several areas (southern borders and Illegal immigration for one) in my opinion. But, I am allways blown away by the clinton fans. The man looks into a camera and lies to every single american and you folks are OK with that. I honestly could care less about his infidelity. That's between him and Hillwhorey (I'd have at least some respect for the woman if she would have left the bum)....

Anyway to forgive Clinton (addmitted Liar) and accuse Bush of being a liar(rabidly speculative and uninformed) proves Liberalism really is a mental disorder! Psychotropic drugs can help. :D ...

The left is better off doing the Thorzine shuffle in lala land somewhere than allowed places where they can ultimately only harm themselves and other Americans.
 
If either of you had posted a fact in this thread this statement might have some validity. Since all you've posted is your opinion on Bush it means nothing except you don't like Bush. Big deal neither does the Middle East, Central Asia, Southwest Asia or California.
I hate Clinton. I'm not afraid to say it. He was the worst thing that ever happened to the defenders of this country. I served under Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton and GWB and I can tell you the worst of it was under Clinton. It's documented that he lied under oath, was weak on gathering intel to prevent terrorism, was an adulterer, and too cheap to give his intern $15 to clean her dress. He was missing the first thing a Commander must have, a moral code. I don't mean a perfect person, I mean the ability to do the right thing even if you're criticized for doing it. Do I wish bad things for Bill? Nope, I figure he has Hilary and that is punishment that borders torture.
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One thing is certain...I'm capable of putting my views forward without personal attacks on other posters. Some just are so zealous in their heat for "their guy" they just melt down when the goin' gets scratchy!

As to "hateing Bush" it wasn't always that way. Infact it may not be hate as much as disgust. I wrote quite a nice letter to him after 911. I've got his popularity "high point" pegged at around 9-15-01.
Something tells me many weren't that open minded with Clinton.
Perhaps they prejudged.... hence the word prejudice.
Throughout my posts there's not much anamosity toward Republicans as there is for certain Neocons who have hurt this country and it people.
More good folks of both parties are seeing it now. Hang on!
But I'm seeing in certain posts here a disdain for anyone who might be an independent or democrat or moderate Republican. ..a Non-Neocon.They're instantly demonized with "Liberal" Move on, pacifist etc. Further it seems some may view a bad hummer to be a more serious offense than a War with 25,000 maimed and 2200= dead.
So when you read my "Bushwackers" just remember it's about the harm I believe has been done to this great land and it's people. Can you hate that?

Rimrock
 
Bravo rimrock, bravo *stands clapping*, you've eloquently pegged everything i've ever wanted to say.


as to 9mm, Can someone tell me why it's on the 'blue' agenda to restrict guns so much. I wouldn't have believed anyone that it was until i was halfway through 'dude, where's my country' (by the fat bstrd...i hate him but will still listen to what he's got to say before finishing hating him) and he launched into why guns should be restricted...I was agreeing with most of the things he'd written upto that point...I'm still planning on X-ing out the anti gun stuff and sending the rest to my superublican crazy uncle, he agreed to read a michael moore book if i read proverbs, i said deal. I now see why everybody calls it Kalifornia and why the new england area as a whole is so gun crazy...I just don't know why.
 
Huh???

Man I'm done with this thread.

Sort of like trying to train a monkey. Sooner or later it's gonna get mad, start screaming and throwing it's own crap! LOL

Good luck with all that fellas.

9mm_prn
 
When has government spending ever created anything?
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highways...govt spending created lots and lots of highways
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I guess I should have been more clear, I mean, when has government spending ever INVENTED anything?

I suppose NASA, the Manhattan project and military weapons contracts might count, but they are all extremely spendy and none of them have resulted in viable business...outside of tax $$$$.

Building roads is great. It's the kind of thing the government should do, but the government in 1900 didn't look around at all the horses, spend research $$ to determine that horse poop would eventually be a major problem and then commission the development of the internal combustion engine. Entrepreneurs created the need for and create jobs (and tax revenues) off of the roads.

Saying "The government should spend money to get us off of oil" is just as ridiculous as saying that "The government should get us off of furnaces" or "The government should get us off of guns". They are all just useful tools that will be replaced when a new John Browning comes along and recreates groundbreaking new technologies.
 
As to "hateing Bush" it wasn't always that way. Infact it may not be hate as much as disgust. I wrote quite a nice letter to him after 911. I've got his popularity "high point" pegged at around 9-15-01.
Something tells me many weren't that open minded with Clinton.
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Where does this idea that everything must be "equal" come from. "I wrote a nice letter to Bush, but you are morally inferior because you never wrote a nice letter to Clinton.":rolleyes:

Maybe you wrote that letter because GWB is an honorable man.
 
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Where does this idea that everything must be "equal" come from. "I wrote a nice letter to Bush, but you are morally inferior because you never wrote a nice letter to Clinton."

Maybe you wrote that letter because GWB is an honorable man.
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It's not necessary to guess why I wrote it. I'm happy to share. I wrote it because the poor pathetic soul seemed so overwhelmed and lost and I thought I could help by showing my support even though I was never very impressed by him prior or since. It seemed to be the American thing to do. You see, my concern for the country transcented my opinion of him. Neocons have trouble with setting things aside for the greater good. I know if Clinton or anyone else for that matter repeatedly stepped in it and tracked it all over the house I'd take him to task as well.
No, No, not writing a letter to Clinton isn't making you morally inferior.
I just like to put the Country before the "guy". Some like to put the "guy" before the country, though that club's membership seems to be rapidly dwindling. Like 34% and in freefall. There's probably no "dead cat bounce" coming either.
But let's at least agree on one statement, things don't have to be equal. Infact I don't think they are at all..... thank God!

Rimrock
 
I guess I should have been more clear, I mean, when has government spending ever INVENTED anything?
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Isn't it amazing that we can use something everyday and not know how it came about?

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is an agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of new technology for use by the military. DARPA was responsible for funding development of many technologies which have had a major impact on the world, including computer networking (starting with the ARPANET, which eventually grew into the Internet), as well as NLS, which was both the first hypertext system, and an important precursor to the contemporary ubiquitous graphical user interface.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Advanced_Research_Projects_Agency
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So you see, government spending helped bring about the Internet, which we all use nearly every day. If it weren't for government spending we wouldn't have this wonderful forum to come and post our thoughts on. True the private sector may have developed it later, but we'd be behind where we are today. And how many millions of dollars go into the economy because of Internet related items? That's quite a bit.

Oh yeah, and before there is a chorus of "didn't Gore "invent" the Internet," I'll post this link discussing the matterhttp://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/, and if you read it OBJECTIVELY, you'll see that his words were twisted to make him look bad. Wow, now I'm being preemptive, guess I did learn one lesson from Bush:) Now if you'll excuse me I have to go because like Bush said "You're working hard to put food on your family,":D
 
Wow ... now we've got Cindy Sheehan posting here as well. Who's next ... Ted Kennedy as

Mass_Bridge_Gunner :cool:

It's amazing how people tend to idolotrize bush as either a brilliant leader or Satan incarnate. Like check out the following (the video is good).

Colorado HS Teacher Anti Bush Rant

Personally, I think he's neither.

If Iraq had turned out the way we were told it would, with a quick and brilliant military invasion (which did happen) followed by a wild and joyous celebration by the Iraqi people (which didn't happen so much) followed by a peaceful move to a Western Style democracy that allows Iraq to flourish and change the face of the whole middleast away from terrorism (this one definitely isn't happening peacefully, and we may not know the outcome for decades) Bush would be a great hero and we would be making face for his mug on Mount Rushmore.

But if the final result is gained in Iraq, whereby it does become a modern democracy that helps set the course for the whole region, then our expense will be worthwhile.

But it's all a lot more of a gamble than we were told it would be, and there are a lot more dead Americans than we were led to believe.
 
What??

NASA and Manhattan Project never invented anything (I assume you mean anything useful)?

Try to use not-so-obviously-false facts to support your position.

First and foremost, there are probably over 5,000 NASA-contractor patents sitting right in front of you as you typed that drivel.

Where the hell do you think the INTEGRATED CIRCUIT came from? You think mom an dad, the progressive consumers, expressed a sudden desire to have their refrigerators do something fancier than cool and demanded them?

How about the GPS? Use OnStar?

In the '80s I went to two of ten trade shows called Technology 2000 and Technology 2001. This was an effort to make dual use (civilian and military) of government-invented technologies. It was big and crowded.

Can you say Raytheon?

You can't be awake for more than 20 minutes without stumbling over something invented at Raytheon.

If it weren't for NASA and all the other gubmint agencies and their contractors, oh, Martin Marietta, Lockheed, Boeing, United Technologies, Allied/Bendix, NIH, Abbott Laboratories (I'd go on, but I don't have all day), you'd never have seen the microwave oven, CAT scans, MRI scans, most new lifesaving drugs (that needed studies to show they work).

The gun you paid $600 for would cost you $6,000.

Y'see, I'm not talking out my a$$ here. I have been an employee of some of these gubmint contractors. I know where all the goodies you like to play with every day came from. About 8 out of 10 times you fly in a 737, 757, or 767, my initials fly along with you, microscopically etched into three or four integrated circuits (it's an industry tradition) that help the pilot fly the plane.

Even the Manhattan project. How do you think they figured out how to obtain all that "nuculer" stuff that makes some of your electric power? Just because things nuclear are very controlled and you never get to see them, doesn't mean they don't do a lot of stuff for you. They tell you whether the bridges you cross are supported by sound structure without having to rip into them. They diagnose medical illness, and treat some of it too.

That was just too wild a statement to let pass.
 
And another thing.

Nearly all that wasn't invented by a government contractor WAS invented at one of them "librul universities", under contract from guess who?

I think the hula hoop was invented privately.
 
original by donr: You'll be given a chance to vote in a pacifist of your choosing in two years.
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Pacifist, tyrant, dictator or simply "chicken hawk" whats the difference? The constition and laws of the land are routinly used as toilet paper and the herd of lemens scamper along behind in a great rush to reach the clif.:eek:
 
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