The ONLY Pro-firearms Presidential Candidate for 2008!

Thats what you have a Supreme Court for. You want to argue the history and background of the exigent circumstances rule?

By the way, has RICO or any other of the criminal investigation laws made us a military dictatorship?

WildletsrollAlaska
 
interesting views, Where do you think we will be in 5-10 years? What do you think of the national ID Card? Please put my mind at ease. I cannot be in denial about the disreguard for the constitution from our leaders. I hope you are right.
 
In who's view?...yours may differ from mine, and I bet them both differ from what it is
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The constitution isn't supposed to be a complicated document. It is not living, It means what it says. It was mean't for the common man to understand. Go back to original intent.

This is why Ron Paul is an ideal candidate.

Magnut, to a large extent, I think you are right. America is slowly becoming a military or police state. This is not occuring because of any one man or law passed. It's been going on since the 1940s, some would say since the WW1 or even the War Between the States. When you consider how police forces (a relatively modern nation-state concept), federal and local, get more and more united and the former gains more power over the latter and they become more armed and have more powers and liberties at the expense of our liberty (the people of these united states) via acts such as the Patriot Act, Gun control laws, and many many other laws and regulations going back decades throughout this century, I would say YES the United States is becoming more and more like a police state.
Such as it is when we (the people) give up a little freedom for a little security.
 
The issue is if one engages in gun list fantasy of candidates with no chance or waiting for revolution as you posture as compared to reasonable strategies for political action. They may entail incrementalism of effort.
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Its America I dont have to engage in reasonable strategies. I can vote for whom I wish. I shudder when politicians use the word reasonable.
 
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What about Tom Tancredo? He is a conservative Republican congressman from Colorado. He has started an exploratory committee, and you can see his positions and donate to him if you like him at teamtancredo.com. He is pro-gun, pro-border control and holds other common sense conservative views. He may not have much of a chance but unless true conservatives get behind him I think we will end up with Ghouliani or wishy-washy McCain.
 
Yes!

Ron Paul says great things about the GOA and they say good things about him. Upholding gun rights, no U.N., repealing all of Bush's bills, no IRS, no illegals, could we handle that? It would be America again. Tancredo and he need to team up, I think immigration and gun control would make a great platform. Go Ron Go! Yep the National Archives would have fire that guts the place, and paper shredders would be in big demand. It would be like cockroaches that run when the light comes on. If you vote for the lesser of two evils you still have evil. Tip the boat over. With the critical mass at about 90% now is the time to act, not talk.
 
The constitution isn't supposed to be a complicated document. It is not living, It means what it says. It was mean't for the common man to understand. Go back to original intent.
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:rolleyes:

If it means what it says, and not supposed to be interpreted, I guess we can discard all the 4th amendment law we have accumulated over the past 200 years?

WildpickandchooseAlaska
 
Why did they add the BOR and let women vote later? Why was voting for the Senate changed?

Bring back the Gold standard and send the Great White Fleet around the world. Give me 1.21 gigawatts for the time machine, Marty!

This is really a silly discussion where practical politics for gun rights gives way to rant about impossible candidates, tin foil hats and crying in your beer over TEOTWAWKI.

Yes, in America one can vote for whomever. Some of us would rather do things that move us in a direction that is useful, rather than foot stamping.
 
I'm curious, Glenn. Whom do YOU consider to be a viable candidate? If the desire to uphold the Constitution is not the standard, what is?

badbob
 
Well, there is not doubt who in this list is part of the "status quo" group.

It's refreshing to see so many people endorsing a pro freedom candidate instead of the statists who he is running against.
 
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Paul has no chance. In fact, he is not the most effective congress person. Granted that he gets gun lists all excited but it's meaningless.
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1992: Remember Bill who? from Arka-whatsawhere?
 
Ron Paul,,, I like a lot of what he says,, so what,, who the hell has ever heard about him? He is so far under the radar, he is invisible, he is almost a stealth person. If he wanted to run, he has to be a Hillery type person, be seen, be noticed and mostly be in the news. He isn't,, like never. He has no image, no profile, no press.
As a group of gun nutz,, we can't even agree on a single person to run, how would you expect a Country of millions to all agree? They will vote for the most chrismatic person in their party or in the elections.
Be realistic, we are NOT organized, no money, no clout, no ambition for the hard work bunch of gunowners. Sorry, but that is the way I see it,, just a lot of posturing, opinions and useless drivel. Who in here has gotten 2 new people or more into shooting, who has converted thru simple facts a conversion of an anti? Who has volunteered to spend the time knocking on door to convince people? As gun owners we all sit back and think the 2nd will protect our rights.
Turn off the f-ing TV and get involved,, I know I do because if I didn't, you and I will lose what we cherish. Real simple.
 
redworm and wildalaska,

I also look at a candidate's WHOLE position...where he/she "stands" on assorted important social and moral issues.

As much I feel that he/she MUST be pro-gun/pro-RKBA at the very least, if he/she is liberal in other areas -- pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-immigration, pro-multiculturalism, pro-diversity and other crap like that, just like many so-called "gun owners" are in general and also most here in these gun forums -- in no way would I vote for him/her.

So just because someone is pro-gun, to me that doesn't mean much in the broader context.

As for who can or can't win, it doesn't matter; vote for the right person regardless.

-- John D.
 
The second ammendment will be the last taken. Once it is all will be lost.
When they do decide to take guns away they will find a way to make firearms useless, possibly through some sort of nonlethal weapon that our taxes paid for, then what good are they. I have thought about this alot lately and do not think the Government will ever beat down your door to take your guns for it would start a revolution. Once guns are gone people will not revolt. They wont care, they will just accept it and live the best they can in the system they have helped to create. I dont think the government fears a revolution know because people are not willing to sacrifice their own lives for freedom. Have you not heard the most watched story of the month, Brad and Angelina are moving to New Orleans. All you can do is try to work within the system while we still can. All of our petty differences will be mute. We will be the New World run by one government.
 
redworm and wildalaska,

I also look at a candidate's WHOLE position...where he/she "stands" on assorted important social and moral issues.

As much I feel that he/she MUST be pro-gun/pro-RKBA at the very least, if he/she is liberal in other areas -- pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-immigration, pro-multiculturalism, pro-diversity and other crap like that, just like many so-called "gun owners" are in general and also most here in these gun forums -- in no way would I vote for him/her.

So just because someone is pro-gun, to me that doesn't mean much in the broader context.

As for who can or can't win, it doesn't matter; vote for the right person regardless.

-- John D.
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I respect your position and it does kind of point to the thread I made. I'm not going to vote for someone that's anti-abortion or anti-gay or anti-immigration or anti-science or anti-diversity. I also won't vote for someone who is against the first and fourth amendments. They're just as important to me as the second.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235160

I do agree that voting for the right person is the best way to go. We just don't agree on who that right person is.
 
I'm not going to vote for someone that's anti-abortion or anti-gay or anti-immigration or anti-science or anti-diversity.
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Ditto, with some modifications of course...

Seems to me that since we are dealing with politics, its good to get someone who can work consensus positions...those who look for the either/or will lose. Both sides.

WildtonedownthescreechingbuildupthetalkingAlaska
 
Having Ron paul as the repub candidate guarantees we have President Hillary/Obama.

Join the real world boys and girls, we will need elect the lesser of two evils (the lesser one hopefully being electable), not nonimate the unelectable simply because he may fit into ones own circumscribed weltanshauung.

Politics aint principles, if it was we wouldnt have any politicians.

WildpracticalpoliticsAlaska
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There are 80 million+ gun owners in America.

Bush won last year with a total of 59,841,499 votes ...the public at large is much more aware of the evils of congress these days .... more so than ever before. .... It is possible .

Maybe not probable , but IMO , definitely possible.

As for voting for the lessor of 2 evils ... here he is.
 
It is absolutely amazing how people want a candidate to say exactly what they want to hear on every issue. If one covered everything I believe exactly how I see it, I would discount them as idiots. Is Ron Paul perfect, not by any stretch of the immagination. Does he have principles worth believing in and fighting for, absolutely.
 
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