The continuing militarization of police

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red, my point was that Godwins Law has now been invoked, separately, on two occasions in this thread. Not that it was you who did it each time. Once is more than enough in any event.
Please keep in mind that I have not stated that this is happening or will happen
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This is known as "hand-wringing", or "caterwauling"
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noone glad to see a fellow gun owner who "gets it".
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Godwin's law (also Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states that:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.
Although the law does not specifically mention it, there is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups.

It is considered poor form to arbitrarily raise such a comparison with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely-recognized codicil that any such deliberate invocation of Godwin's law will be unsuccessful. See Quirk's exception below.
 
This is known as "hand-wringing", or "caterwauling"
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Well we might as well invoke it once more, third time is a charm!

Were the people of 1930's Germany "hand-wringing" or "caterwauling" when they began to recognize and become concerned by the changes that were occuring in the Federal Government under Hitler, especially at the local law enforcement level? By the time they truly figured it out it was to late because the Gestapo had legal authority to incarcerate and execute sans judicial proceeding. We in America seem to have short memories because legislation has been passed that grants similar legal authority to certain agencies under the Executive, but we all know 'that can't happen here', and when it does we just stand around slack-jawed questioning "How did it come to this?".

But in the end hindsight is always 20/20 and in this politically correct world we live in it is considered daft to jump to conclusion, especially if concerning Nazi Germany or Hitler, ie 'Godwins Law'.

So please forgive my "hand-wringing" and "caterwauling" because there is only one way to find out if it is simply "paranoid overreaction" and not legitimate freedom loving concern.
 
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And fully automatic weapons would have helped how?

Read the post the last time I checked M16's were FA capable. The MP5 on the back of the bike was photoshopped.

I also believe (some "proof") this leads us down the path to a Police State.
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My belief does not require proof (thats why it's called a belief, you know) but I refer you to History.

Sorry I got to go, I got another life and It doesn't involve this thread which is going in circles.

You like sendec have nothing but insults to offer.
 
Conspiracy Theory

Conspiracy Theory - a theory stating that, when a legitimate retort to a valid argument regarding coalescing government power tending toward tyranny is unavailable, black helicopters and tin-foil hats are used instead.
 
"When you pull facts out of the air and I refute them, then switch to personal attacks the debate is over. Go somewhere else with your misinformation. As I said to you once before in another thread "Im done with you"

Oh no ya dont, Sparky. Your mouth wrote the check, now it's time to cash it: Exactly why should the police be denied full auto weapons? C'mon hotshot, or is the above your way of shutting up when you cant put up?
 
Were the people of 1930's Germany "hand-wringing" or "caterwauling" when they began to recognize and become concerned by the changes that were occuring in the Federal Government under Hitler, especially at the local law enforcement level? By the time they truly figured it out it was to late because the Gestapo had legal authority to incarcerate and execute sans judicial proceeding. We in America seem to have short memories because legislation has been passed that grants similar legal authority to certain agencies under the Executive, but we all know 'that can't happen here', and when it does we just stand around slack-jawed questioning "How did it come to this?".
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Think you better study your history of Weimar/nazi germany a bit better before you draw comparisons

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noone, I never knew. Learn something new every day, I guess. That's really funny.

redhawk41, German citizens' complaints against Nazi tyranny were quite legitimate; nobody would really deny that. It should also be pointed out that the vast majority of Germans accepted and indeed embraced the tyranny of the Nazis (resistance by anybody after about 1933 pratically was nil until about 1944, and even then there wasn't much), which is a little different from what exists in the modern United States. First, you need tyrannical police - no, that really doesn't exist. Second, you need a citizenry ready to accept and embrace tyrannical police - no that really doesn't exist either.

That lack of necessary factors doesn't preclude "it from happening here." However, just about anything can happen anywhere given the right set of circumstances. I stand by my contention that nothing in American law enforcement today even approximates the Nazi approach to law enforcement, therefore the comparison is invalid.

Of course, if the "man" shows up to arrest me for what I just said, I'll eat my hat and stand corrected.
 
It gets even better. Ole Sparky is incapable if independent thought (and perhaps rational thought as well).

His "proof" that "The Police" have full-autos is that the news article said they got "M-16s" and as far as he knows M-16s are full auto.

That is because it really is "as far as he knows", which isn't very far at all. If you change the firing capability of an M-16, it's still an M-16. Many many local agencies have done this. They have changed them all to semi-auto. The ONLY agency I know of that has any full-auto capability (outside of some SWAT sub-guns) is ONE agency that has MP5's with the option of semi-auto or 3 round burst (NO full-auto).

Again, ML lets his bias color in the rest of the picture for him. For him it's as simple as:

"The article said they had M-16 rifles shipped to them so that means they have full-autos in their squads".

Do I even had to point out the GAP in logic there.........:rolleyes:
 
Hmmm, nazis....Cops......Aryan Nations.....Randy Weaver. THATS IT it's a white supremacist conservative conspiracy, no, wait, it has to be the liberals, no wait, the cops attacked Weaver, no wait, the cops are nazis, no wait....

I forget, does the shiny side go on the outside, or the matte side of the foil.

You guys deserve the bent little universe you imagine.
 
You know, if it is the fact that coppers have access to class 3 toys that has your panties twisted, I bet if you audited LE armories today, and then did the same to armories of the 20s, 30s and 40s you'd find a lot more full autos back then, when you could buy a Thompson at the hardware store. Agencies have to jump thru plenty of hoops to get the funguns nowadays, to the point where many wont bother with class 3s of any sort.

Thompsons, Reisings, heck, i've seen a photo from the 30's of an Illinois State Police armored car that had BARs on it

and you guys pine for the good old days........
 
Think you better study your history of Weimar/nazi germany a bit better before you draw comparisons
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Wildalaska, I am studying and I am here to learn. Please indicate to me specifically where I am wrong so that I can learn from my mistakes.
First, you need tyrannical police - no, that really doesn't exist. Second, you need a citizenry ready to accept and embrace tyrannical police - no that really doesn't exist either.
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"Remember New Orleans!" - Wayne LaPierre
Of course, if the "man" shows up to arrest me for what I just said, I'll eat my hat and stand corrected.
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We can be fairly certain that every word typed here is stored in some Government database ripe for 'keyword processing'. Enter the right (or wrong) sequence of key words and you just might find yourself the subject of an 'investigation'.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Data_mining

Used by Federal Agencies

The New York Times' Robert Pear reported on May 26, 2004, that a "Survey Finds U.S. Agencies Engaged in 'Data Mining'." (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/27/national/27privacy.html)

Pear writes that "A survey of federal agencies ... to be issued [May 27, 2004] by the General Accounting Office, an investigative arm of Congress ... has found more than 120 programs that collect and analyze large amounts of personal data [known as data mining] on individuals to predict their behavior."

"The practice, the GAO report found, "was ubiquitous." The GAO "found that 52 [agencies] were systematically sifting through computer databases. These agencies reported 199 data mining projects, of which 68 were planned and 131 were in operation. At least 122 of the 199 projects used identifying information like names, e-mail addresses, Social Security numbers and driver's license numbers."

Pear says that "The survey provides the first authoritative estimate of the extent of data mining by the government. It excludes most classified projects, so the actual numbers are likely to be much higher."

The report, Pear writes, reveals that the Defense Department "made greatest use of the technique, with 47 data mining projects to track everything from the academic performance of Navy midshipmen to the whereabouts of ship parts and suspected terrorists."

"Of the 199 data mining projects," he says, "54 use information from the private sector, like credit reports and records of credit card transactions. Seventy-seven projects use data obtained from other federal agencies, like student loan records, bank account numbers and taxpayer identification numbers."
 
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