Taurus (was: Guns kicked out)

I have personally never even picked one up to look at so I have no experience with the company myself, but I don't see too many of 'em around like I used to and if I do, it's usually NIB Judge that they seem to be selling for a pretty low price point these days compared to when it first came out.

The comments/thoughts/experiences I've HEARD about the company alone are enough to scare me away from ever picking one up. I still think they look good enough. Now Glock and Hipoint... on aesthetics alone I'd never touch one!
 
Shhh.... don't tell mine

Evil Monkey said:
Their whole 45acp 24/7 series were defective from first generation to last. They blamed it on mags but after 3 generations of magazines, they were still having many failure to feeds. The feed ramps were too steep and the barrel centerline was to high. Taurus never fixed the real problem. Instead, they make them obsolete and went on to create the G2 with it's new set of problems.
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I bought my Millenium Pro 45 ACP before I knew it was a piece of junk and before it knew. I have never told it and it has continued to feed reliably every 45 ACP I have feed through it, and accurately, too, even the SWC that my friend's XD chokes on 80% of the time.

I cannot argue that Taurus does not produce a lot of lemons. I simply don't know. But the 22 revolver, PT99 and PT92 and the Millienium Pro I have must all be odds-beaters.

If the feed ramps need polishing, polish them. If the barrel centerline is too high, I don't know what can be done, but modifying the magazine feed lips might help.

I have a street bike that had really lousy gearing. I finally got tired of it and swapped the chainrings and built a rear cluster that gave me the gearing I wanted. It rides really nicely now. I just did what I had to do to make it work. This approach will probably work with most of the problematic Taurii out there. My bike may just be a Schwinn, but it is the second best riding street bike I ever had (after I made it so).

Many people compare Ruger revolvers favorably to Smith & Wesson revolvers because the cost of improving Ruger's rough spots is less than the price difference between the Ruger and the more refined (and better factory-tuned) Smith. So it is with Taurus. A bargain gun that can be improved upon if you devote a little effort. I may be lucky in that I did not have to do that and got an REALLY GOOD SHOOTER for $300.

Now, if they tended to blow up, crack frames or separate slides, that would be a whole other thing, but I have not heard Taurii accused of doing that any more than Smiths crack forcing cones, Berettas separate slides or Ruger Redhawks toss barrels downrange (which has been cured, by the way).

There's more to marketing than the simple truth. Perception trumps truth almost every time, leaving cognoscenti to pick up the diamonds in the mud.

Lost Sheep
 
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You guys know about the problem with the tcp738?

Apparently, if you short stroke the trigger, then release it for a full reset and try to pull it again, the trigger is dead and must be racked. There's a video on youtube about it and many threads on taurusarmed.net that discuss the issue. No other DAO pocket pistol behaves this way except the taurus tcp (totally crappy pistol).

Such a problem can get you killed in a gun fight. Further more, it's part of the design, not a lemon.

Taurus is garbage, but people will defend them for no good reason.

http://gunwriter.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/the-problem-with-the-taurus-tcp/
 
its not surprising really. so many people do their gun shoping online and when they just type in "taurus" "gun issues' on their cell phone they get a few hundred thousand hits on google, that they go decide to buy a glock instead.

on a side note, did they ever end the "scandal" of a few years ago of a gun company having employees bad mouth the competition online?
 
Jbar4Ranch

I send back a LOT of Taurus revolvers for warranty service, but in five years have only sent back one single autoloader, and that was for a slight problem with the front sight - nothing at all to do with function of the gun.

But the point of my post is, Taurus doesn't require a Return Authorization number, so, yes, your dealer could be waiting on one for a LONG, LONG time
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Au contraire mon frere...

I have two revolvers that went south and a return authorization was most certainly required for them. You may have had a different experience, but that does not mean that it happens that way with everyone.
 
I know 2 shops that outright refuse to trade in tarus old or new. They also carry minimal kahr and kimber products for similar reasons
 
mkk41 said:
I know of a few shops that do not/will not stock Taurus , will not take them in trade , and will only order them if you pay in advance and agree if it's screwed up , YOU deal with it.
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I know of two FFLs in my area who not only won't stock Taurus products and won't take them in trade, they flat-out refuse to even special order one on request. They both say they just don't want the hassle of dealing with Taurus about problems, and they're sure there will be problems.

The owner of the range where I shoot bought two Taurus Model 94 .22LR revolvers to use as range rentals. They lasted less than six months. He replaced them with two used S&W revolvers, which have been going strong for several years.

Put me in the "Not a Taurus fan" column.
 
about a month ago i went to the local gun store to see if they had the taurus 380 revolver. i was curious and wanted to have a look at it. they told me that they too had just stopped carrying any taurus since the return rate had increased greatly in the recent past.
 
i feel bad for people that have had bad experiences with taurus but i own 7 taurus/rossi products and have never,i mean never had a single problem with any of them and that includes a pt145 that i bought used 6 years ago, still going strong. maybe i'm lucky but with this streak i will not hesitate to buy another one.(actually waiting to pick up my tcp so we'll see if my luck will continue).
 
This kind of reports and word of mouth really has a negative effect on me, a potential custoner. I just dont know what to make of it. I have friends who have reliable taurus and at the same time read about as much problems with taurus as kimber solo. I think some taurus looks better than their sw revolvers counterparts. There i said it! But i am afraid of purchasing one and dealing with the cs dept

If taurus changes next year and improves their qc and if they drop the word "raging" from their product names ill be all over it
 
I've never owned a Taurus but where there's smoke there is probably some fire. There are enough models in this world to choose from so I'll probably never own a Taurus. Plus, you can't beat the service of some local (S&W, Ruger, Kahr, etc...) companies.
 
I can tell you this from my experience: I own two Taurus pistols and two revolvers and have had less problems with the whole lot than I have had with just one Glock G19. Maybe I'm just lucky but I don't think so. I personally won't touch a Kimber either.
 
Maybe I'm just lucky
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maybe....


Let's say there are 2 pistols and you like both but only want one of them.

Pistol "A" has a 5% chance it will have major problems within the first 500rds.

Pistol "B" has a 15% chance it will have major problems within the first 500rds.

Which pistol pistol would you buy? The choice is obvious, "A" is a better purchase.

However, we don't have this information available to us in real life, and we can only rely on first hand experiences and experiences shared from others who can save you from buying an inferior product.
 
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I have owned two Taurus M85s. One was fine, but I sold it as it had an exposed hammer. The SS CH M85 began to fail to fire with any ammo including factory. I fooled with it for over a year sending it back at least three times, and then to Actions by T. No one was ever able to fix it. Taurus tried, and Teddy offered to try again, but I was sick of the gun.

I began to try to get it replaced and it took several months and letters and calls to the US CEO to finally get it replaced. I immediately sold it to a friend who wanted it. I ate the action job and some shipping, but I got rid of it.

I will never buy another Taurus.

I have sent back other guns including a S&W M60, but one trip and it was fixed.
Life is too short to fool with second class guns that require so much effort and irritation. You might get a good one, but you may not.
For me it is not worth the savings that are "pound foolish."

Get a Ruger or S&W.

Jerry
 
shootniron said:
Au contraire mon frere...

I have two revolvers that went south and a return authorization was most certainly required for them. You may have had a different experience, but that does not mean that it happens that way with everyone.
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Well... here are return instructions right off Taurus's Web site. Not only is no RMA number required, there isn't even mention of such a protocol on their own Web site.

http://www.taurususa.com/repair-policy-shipping.cfm

The WORK ORDER LINK also has no provision for entering a return authorization number.
 
After my experience with Taurus I'd be glad to see most all shops stop carrying them. I really liked shooting my Judge. I thought it was an awesome toy (not a weapon) and had loads of fun with it when it would work. It had so many problems, Taurus would say "fixed" but never tell me what they did, and they flat out refused to let me speak to anyone but the receptionist over the entire year and a half I owned it. Lucky for me I made a good complaint to the BBB with all my facts, dates, etc and got Taurus to give me a full refund.
 
Jbar4Ranch


Well... here are return instructions right off Taurus's Web site. Not only is no RMA number required, there isn't even mention of such a protocol on their own Web site.
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I do not care what the website says, when I callled them requesting a mailing label to return my pistols, I had to submit the email form and a return authorization was sent to me that had to be included with the gun on return. Say what you want, I know what happened with me. This is just another example of the way they do business..."everything is not as it seems".
 
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