Suffolk County NY handgun License holders

How much can you afford?

New York is not a "shall issue" state. You can get an attorney and fight it (appeal is a better word), but the bottom line is that they have the law on their side.

Your own record works against you here. You have a pattern (as far as they can see) of flouting authority. You may not have done anything wrong in the past ten years, but all they know from your record is that you haven't been caught doing something wrong in the past 10 years.

Sure, you have a right to bear arms, but you still have to live within the existing system. And the New York system is stacked against you, because of your behavior in the past. You (actually your lawyer) will have to proove to the bureaucrats that you are (and have been for the past decade) a good responsible citizen. It is going to be an uphill fight.

Unfair as it is, they are within the law to deny you. You could wind up spending thousands of $ and still losing. A good lawyer will tell you if you have a chance or not. A bad one will take your case (and your money) knowing you will lose in the end.

You need to decide just how important it is to you. New York law allows them to be as arbitrary as they want to be. They have a pattern, what you have to do is find some way to convince them that you are not the same guy anymore, and can be trusted. Good Luck.

I moved out of New York a long time ago. You might be better off if you could do the same.
 
help obtaining a permit

Hi all:

I'm new here. I want to try and get a handgun permit in Eastern Suffolk (Riverhead) but I cannot figure out where to begin. The SCPD has their permits for the western towns.

Do I have to actually go to the Sheriff's office and request an application? Do I purchase the gun I want first and have the dealer hold it??

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Thanks in advance!
 
Welcome Binney! Great to see that more LIers are looking to get their permits. You can call this number for more info: 631-852-2233. That's the Sheriff's office. Sgt. Frederick Leute is the head of the pistol licensing section, and I imagine you can ask to speak to him. Good luck--let us know how it turns out!
 
Heres are really simple idea folks,


MOVE.

there is nothing there that is worth warm spit, the state hates you, the county hates you, and place is rotten to the core, move someplace nice, where as an American Citizen you are treated with the respect you deserve.

Here in Minnesota, we walk up, pay our money and get a permit in a few days, Many states, they run the check while you wait. Why put up with that crap you are being fed. NYC sucks, always has, I had to spend 7 months there on an internship many years ago, and it was like a jail term, I was literally x'ing off the days till I was back in Free America.

There are WAY better places to live all over America. Try it out.
 
Dear Mr. guntotin'

While moving may be all well and good for you, it is not for me. New York has been home to my family since before the Revolutionary War...I'm not giving up without a fight!

In any case, I did contact the Sheriff's Office. I must go in to pick up the application. SOme questions:

1. will they ask me what type of permit I am looking for?
2. will they ask me why I want it?

If so, what do I say? I'd like a full carry permit but I have no basis for the request other than I drive to and from Binghamton NY alone on a more than occasional basis.

Do I say I want it for target shooting and hunting???

Thanks for any help you can offer!
 
Binney,

They will ask you what type of permit you are after. I believe the choices currently available in the eastern towns are: sportsman, business, and retired law enforcement officer. From the choices, it seems unlikely that a full carry will be possible. If you were in the one of the western towns, an unrestricted carry would definitely be impossible; in the eastern towns, I've heard some say that it comes down to who you know--but I'm sure they're hard, if not impossible, to get.

I wasn't asked by SCPD why I wanted my permit, but you might be. Perhaps others here can chime in on how to answer. On other state's CCW applications, I have always answered "all legal purposes." But--not sure what they would want to hear out here. Target shooting and hunting would likely be a good answer when applying for a sportsmans permit. Good luck, and please keep us updated on how it's going!
 
If you were in the one of the western towns, an unrestricted carry would definitely be impossible; in the eastern towns, I've heard some say that it comes down to who you know--but I'm sure they're hard, if not impossible, to get.
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Business is far easier to get in the eastern towns of SC than in the western. "Politics" helps in the eastern towns.

If you want put down full carry, they can always correct it to Sportsman. I would fill out a second set of papers though just to be ready...

Dear guntotin_fool,

Your analysis of how "free" MN is is pretty funny. I have been in Minneapolis when the leftists were marching through the streets and I have heard plenty of outcry against CCW in MN. I believe you have many places posted as well, at least every business I ever visited while there, and not just in the Twin Cities.

You know nothing of NY. Seven months in NYC seems to have convinced you NYC is the sum of NYS. By that logic then Minneapolis is the sum of MN; wouldn't you agree? Hopefully your time in NYC at least taught you to appreciate good food as opposed to the Wonderbread texture bagels and use of Ketchup as steak sauce which I have seen far too often in MN.
 
+1 Musketeer.

It is SO tiring to read the same trite response to "move" that inevitably shows up in threads like this discussing local issues. For the life of me, I couldn't think of one reason I would want to live in MN which in case you haven't noticed is moving so far and fast to the left you better watch YOUR gun rights, nevermind worrying about New York. Good Lord, Al Franken as a senator?
 
agreed. I have plenty of issues with this state but a blanket statement of
there is nothing there that is worth warm spit, the state hates you, the county hates you, and place is rotten to the core, move someplace nice, where as an American Citizen you are treated with the respect you deserve.
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is out of line. We may have issues with our gov't here and many of the population but statements that there is NOTHING here worth warm spit is insulting to me personally and many others here. We know our problems in this state and I would wager we go through a hell of a lot more hoops to practice our rights than someone like guntotin_fool.
 
+2, good point Vip. As much as I envy those in other parts of the country with contitutional rights, someone has to stick around here and fight for them. Moving (not that I want to) might make things easier for the time, but the antis will catch up to other parts of the country (as we're seeing now). Everyone, whether in NY or MN, has to keep pressure on government to protect our rights, or they're going to be gone no matter where you live.
 
Musketeer:

If I apply for a full carry and am denied that but still meet the criteria for sports(wo)man - they will reject the entire application and make me re-apply (and another 6 month period)??

What did you mean when you said "I would fill out a second set of papers though just to be ready...
 
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They may, they may not. It depends on what side of the bed the officer processing it got out of. When you bring it in (you are dealing with the Sheriff, right?) discuss it. If it is the SCPD don't bother, just put Sportsman but in the eastern towns you may have more luck.

The reason to have both is to make it easy for the issuing officer. He should be able to tell you on the spot when you submit it if there is no way for a full carry in which case you simple whip out the other set of paperwork and go "Here you go sir."
 
To qualify for Sportsman or woman you need only have a clean record, have all the documentation they require and not appear to be a lunatic.
 
What do NYS Police recognize?

I'm in Orange County, just north of the Bloomberg City..when I applied for my original license, there were carry restrictions; bona fide range, hunting, hiking, fishing. I later requested in writing to my Judge, a lifting of the restrictions he imposed..my license is now an UNRESTRICTED carry..as far as I know, NYC exception to rule, parts of Albany, parts of Buffalo too....NYS Police recognize 2 types of permits, carry and premise....that's it, carry is a carry...same FBI check for crying out loud...Suffolk and Nassau have become NYC East.. Keep a bag with shooting gear in your car, join a 24 hour range, do what you got to do before the ridiculousness of 'them' gets all over 'us.'
 
UNRESTRICTED carry..as far as I know, NYC exception to rule, parts of Albany, parts of Buffalo too....
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Note: As much as Albany and Buffalo might want to be able to ban it they can't Your permit is good in ALL of NY state EXCEPT NYC because of the very specific wording in the NYS penal law. Those other cities were not given the ability to exclude permits from the rest of the state.
 
That was my point MUSKETEER, a CARRY is a CARRY.....shouldn't the SCPD recognize a statewide law? I have a store in NYC, I've called 1 Police Plaza a few times to ask someone to explain the endorsement of a NY County Permit for NYC carry.....ask me if anyone ever called me back....someone told me that I could easily get a PREMISE business permit. I asked what happens when I need to feed the meter? They said no problem. I said that by the very wording of their regulations, I couldn't leave my premises. It's double speak....when it serves their purpose.....
 
This has been challenged and the NY Appeals court has ruled that restrictions can be applied by the license issuing authority. So the SCPD is allowed to put restrictions on a license. Frankly I can't see that ever changing as there isn't any organization or group actively seeking to address the issue. In fact, the SCPD has tightened up the license, as detailed in the begining of this thread.
 
+1 on what vip said, unfortunately. Quick question for viper and musketeer, since you guys are really good with NY law. Suffolk can put a restriction on my permit (which they did). I want to take my gun upstate when visiting a friend. I imagine that I can't, even though the restriction is from Suffolk, correct? Now suppose I am upstate hunting--I am allowed to bring the handgun along as well. If we go to the grocery store, is it legal to carry? Since NYS recognizes the permit as a carry, and since the restrictions are from Suffolk, do they care? Or is the restriction enforced state-wide?
 
The restrictions usually are inforced in the issuing county, the majority of the counties or even the majority of the state police only are concerned you hold a state license. The city of Buffalo is under Erie county's dept.

I was actually more comfortable carrying in NY than I am here in Arizona, you have less restrictions carrying in NYS.

kenny b
 
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