Sportsman's Warehouse vs. WallyWorld in Ammo.

Since I initiated this thread, thought I might give a disappointing update on Sportsman's Warehouse prices in my area...With the Grand Opening a month or so ago, I noticed today the parking lot was almost empty...I can see why...IMHO, most people in this locale are going for ammo first, and the rest of the store is mostly peripheral business. Anyway, went to pick up some more Remington Megapaks: surprise; the prices are at least 15% higher than a month ago..I talked to the Mgr. in charge of this section (former Mgr. of the demised Oshman's Sporting Goods)and he apologized. He had no control over the prices and realizes that many will be heading back to Wally World for comparison...He surmised that it was the war effort and I told him that it looks like SW's greed to me...If they don't lower the prices to be competitive again; this store won't last long in Southern N.M.....
BTW, he said the gun prices are still the same and that since they sell other ammo items that WalMart doesn't have; things might not be that bad for the store...I disagreed.....
22-Rimfire, Walmart, at least in these parts, will not price match ammo or guns..
 
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I buy at both the Sportsman's Warehouse and Walmart. Depends on the kind of ammo I'm looking for. My beef with Sportsman's Warehouse is that the store is cheap (not fancy like Cabela's or Bass Pro) and the merchandise is pretty much full retail (except for ammo and guns). So if you have other alternative locations to purchase, why not go to Cabela's or Bass Pro when the price is going to be retail anyway and they have so much more stuff.
 
A few years ago, I got to know a WM manager who was a local guy. He was the asst. mgr. 2nd in charge of the store. One day when I was in the store, I was talking with him when someone asked about a food item and why it was less at the grocery store. He asked them what the price was at the other store then escourted them to the check-out and had them over-ride the price to match the other store. He then called someone on his radio and had they change the price in the computer until he could verify the other store price. So I asked him about another item I had noticed being more. His answer was...if he becomes aware of any item that is normally priced less in another store (it didn't have to be the exact item but close) he will reduce the WM price as a local market item and it will become the same price.

One day in sporting goods, they were putting in new gun displays (from the old racks to the newer circle self-turn displays), they had one gun leftover that was no longer in stock. I asked if they were discounting it. They said 50 bucks off reg. I offered them 75 less. They called the mgr. for approval (I din't know this mgr.). He asked some questions about why the gun was being discounted then he said make it 100 bucks off and get rid of it! It was an 870 20ga. with a non glare finish, slug and Rem Choke tubes and xtra tubes and wrench etc. I think I paid about 115 for it tax included just in time for my sons birthday! My main point is that these big stores can do most any price fixing needed to compete (if you can get ahold of the right person).
 
Walmart here will match ANY local price on the same item. I routinely buy soft drinks that are on sale at other grocery stores that I normally don't shop at and get them in Walmart for the same price. The cash register folks already pretty much know whether the price is correct as other people do the same thing. They do not volunteer the price though.

I have no idea about Sportsman's Warehouse, Bass Pro etc. as far as matching prices. My guess is that the price is THE price regardless of whether it is higher or lower than the competion.
 
Stephen426, yup, Winchester White Box, Federal, and others, handgun ammo right at the endcaps nearest the guncounter. I guess so they can watch them, but it is almost all handgun ammo. Rifle ammo is in the shelves with the handgun ammo on the endcaps. They only have firearms behind the counter. Maybe a little ammo of some type but everything I use, and then some, is right out for me to pick up. This is at SW's in Idaho and Washington.

Where are you at?
 
For some of us, Walmart's price on ammo is a moot point.

In Palm Beach County, the shooting ranges have colluded to agree on a policy that no outside ammunition or targets may be used on the ranges. That means you are forced to pay the "gun store prices" which we all know is astronomically higher than what you can get ammo and targets for at larger stores.

I went to one such range (haven't been back, by the way, even though it's a pretty decent store) and had to pay something like $12.99 for a box of FMJ .40 Winchester target ammo that I could have had for about $10.00. :mad:

-azurefly
 
If I were using their range, I wouldn't have a problem paying a little extra for ammo to support them. However, if I were paying a big range fee that would make a difference to me if the ammo were 30 or 40% more. I think if it were the only place I could shoot, then I would do whatever it took to shoot. Maybe buy a box and a few targets and take a box or two of your own with you if they over charged.

I had a local outdoor range (at a small gun shop) that was free to use for shooting anytime the shop was open. They requested we come inside and tell them when your going to shoot. They wanted to know who was on their range. They have a big sign that says don't bother shooting here if you are using WM ammo or targets. So I always bought a brick of .22 and proceded to shoot for 2 hrs. shooting reloads or whatever I wanted to shoot. They closed the range due to neighbors complaining and high insurance rates.

Generally, I buy ammo whenever I see it on sale wherever it may be. And I often pick up a brick when I am in a shop somewhere unless it's really overpriced. Most of my shooting is reloads so I get a box of primers and maybe a bag of wads or a bottle of powder (can't get that at WM). I don't mind supporting the shops when I am there if the prices are fair.
 
In Palm Beach County, the shooting ranges have colluded to agree on a policy that no outside ammunition or targets may be used on the ranges. That means you are forced to pay the "gun store prices" which we all know is astronomically higher than what you can get ammo and targets for at larger stores.

I went to one such range (haven't been back, by the way, even though it's a pretty decent store) and had to pay something like $12.99 for a box of FMJ .40 Winchester target ammo that I could have had for about $10.00.
Ditto. I drive down to broward county to shoot. The last time I shot in PBC, the range ammo was so poor in quality, and it's all you can use, it jammed up my gun. I found several nice ranges in Broward that sell quality target ammo for less than the others in Palm Beach, and also allow you to bring your own as well. It's a real shame, because I work near a range and their policies make it too difficult to use.
 
In Palm Beach County, the shooting ranges have colluded to agree on a policy that no outside ammunition or targets may be used on the ranges.
That sounds pretty darn unethical.

I can understand ranges, especially indoor ranges, saying things like "please don't use magnums because our backstop can't take it" or "please don't use lead due to environmental laws." But, "you cannot buy from a competitor because we want to be the ones to screw you" just doesn't fly.

We have a local gun store chain here who hates gun shows because they, basically, cut into his business, and he makes things uncomfortable, if possible, if someone ever brings in something they say they got at a gun show or whatever. I make sure never to darken his door. It helps that his range is run by a bunch of fools who seem to let people go forward during live fire, and shoot during cease fire, etc.

Anyway... back on topic. I don't usually get ammo at Wal Mart because I can't see it. Locally, it's behind a big counter and you cannot see what they have unless you go to the other side and go-go gadget eyes to see what they have and what the price is. I'd rather pay more over at Gander Mountain or somewhere else where I can actually make an unaided buying decision. "Hey, can someone page the guy running the sporting goods counter..." *wait* *wait some more* *wait some more* "So, what do you have in .40. 40 Smith and Wesson? It's over there. What about that box there? What else do you have? In 40. The one you just showed me. What about the one next to that? What about the one below that?" Screw that. It ain't worth the savings if I die of an aneurism.
 
"no outside ammunition" next thing you can't bring in your own food and have to buy thier popcorn and nachos like a movie theater. WAIT I've got it, tell your wife to bring her big purse and fill it up with cheap stuff. it works in the theaters.:D
 
I ended up going all the way to Broward -- FIFTY miles away -- just to give a flip-off to the PBC scumbags who are doing this stuff. I went to Bill Brown's range/shop "American Gun and Range". Bill is a straight-shooting guy. I was able to bring WM-bought ammo, but I bought ammo from Bill BECAUSE he DIDN'T force me to!


The thing that burned me the most was that at a particular PBC range, I was given the biggest load of CRAP about the reason for the policy. They handed me a section allegedly taken from the backstop, and showed me that it had been perforated by "AP" ammo...

Now, there is a policy in place that they reserve the right to SEARCH YOUR GEAR to make sure you are not smuggling ammo in. IF their reason was that they wanted to control things so that no "AP" ammo was going to damage their infrastructure, they could simply do their search (as they reserve the right to do) and make sure that your ammo is no more armor-piercing than what they're selling at 20-40% more than WM sells it for! "Problem" solved, right?

Don't tell me that these shops need to do this just to stay in business. It's a new phenomenon, but gun shops/ranges have been around for decades. Why should I believe that suddenly now this move is necessary? It's necessary on from the standpoint of greed.

This happened to me in the summer of '95. It was hot. The range of which I speak was in southern PBC, and I live in central. I had begun going to it because unlike a local range I used to go to, the southern one had air conditioning on the lanes. The last time I went (the time I discovered the new policy, which began in Jan. 2005), this range had the air conditioning NOT running in the range. It was nice and cool in the shop area for the owner/clerks. Screw the people paying $10 to shoot, and $12.95 for basic target .40 cal. :mad:


-azurefly
 
I went to the Salinas, CA Wal-Mart to buy some ammo for deer season and the person that was in the sporting goods department could not speak any English at all, not one word! After driving to the Gilroy Wal-Mart, some 17 miles away, to buy some ammo I talked to the guy working there and he said that's why Wal-Mart got in trouble for selling guns, that the illegals working there got caught selling them to their buddies. Note that NOBODY working at Wal-Mart went to jail over this only the rest of us paying for it by more crazy gun laws being passed. The latest one was to make gun makers write the serial numbers of firearms on the end of the firing pins so they could recover the numbers on spent ammo primers. It lost by one vote in the Cal state senate. What are those people smoking?
 
"Walmart does not hire the Pinkerton agency to beat and shoot organizers."

No, they simply FIRE THEM. Bill T.
 
Here's an interesting article, though I doubt it will change anybody's mind.:

The Man Who Said No to Walmart
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html

To sum up:
The president of Snapper was given a choice:
Do business with Walmart, make lots of money, but close the factory in Georgia, and make a junk product.
The Walmart VP actually suggests that it would be best to move the factory overseas! :barf:
When the Snapper president said "No" to Walmart, he walked away from 20% of Snapper's business, because it was the best thing for the company in the long run.

Here's the article I referenced earlier.
It's long, but it's well worth it, if you don't want to continue to shop in ingnorance.:
The Wal-Mart you don't know.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

Talks about the Vlasic pickle disaster, Levi Strauss, and others.

Some quotes from the article:

"People ask, 'How can it be bad for things to come into the U.S. cheaply? How can it be bad to have a bargain at Wal-Mart?' Sure, it's held inflation down, and it's great to have bargains," says Dobbins. "But you can't buy anything if you're not employed. We are shopping ourselves out of jobs."
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In January 1997, Master Lock announced that, after 75 years making locks in Milwaukee, it would begin importing more products from Asia. Not too long after, Master Lock opened a factory of its own in Nogales, Mexico. Today, it makes just 10% to 15% of its locks in Milwaukee--its 300 employees there mostly make parts that are sent to Nogales, where there are now 800 factory workers.
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And just five days before the cheery profit news, Levi had another announcement: It is closing its last two U.S. factories, both in San Antonio, and laying off more than 2,500 workers, or 21% of its workforce. A company that 22 years ago had 60 clothing plants in the United States--and that was known as one of the most socially reponsible corporations on the planet--will, by 2004, not make any clothes at all. It will just import them.

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Believe it or not, American business has been through this before. The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Co., the grocery-store chain, stood astride the U.S. market in the 1920s and 1930s with a dominance that has likely never been duplicated. At its peak, A&P had five times the number of stores Wal-Mart has now (although much smaller ones), and at one point, it owned 80% of the supermarket business. Some of the antipredatory-pricing laws in use today were inspired by A&P's attempts to muscle its suppliers.
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It's the same story over-and-over:
U.S. companies start doing business with Walmart.
U.S. companies close factories in U.S. :barf:

You can call it "Capitalism" or "Freemarket Economy" or whatever you want, but I call it criminal.
If we don't wake up and smell the coffee, we're going to be hoping we can get one of the "good" jobs at McDonald's.
 
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From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wal-Mart

By 2005, about 60% of Wal-Mart's merchandise was imported, compared to 6% in 1995.[55] In 2004, the Wal-Mart spent$18 billion on Chinese products alone, and if it were an individual economy, the company would rank as China's eighth largest trading partner, ahead of Russia, Australia, and Canada.

The growing deficit with China, heavily influenced by Wal-Mart imports, is estimated to have moved over a 1.5 million American jobs to China between 1989 and 2003
 
Did the grocery store chains destroy the American economy as they were supposed to do?
If it had there would be no economy for Wal-Mart to destroy.

Your Snapper reference shows that nobody is forcing companies to deal with Wal-Mart so where is the criminality.

Bad reference using the rabidly anti-gun Levi Strauss Company here.
I quit dealing with them years ago
 
I"ve found Sportsman's Warehouse to be one of the more reasonable places locally to buy anything firearms/hunting related as well as outdoor stuff. I can spend all day at Sportsman's Warehouse just looking at all the cool stuff they have.

You can thank your friendly neighborhood labor union for that.

And their millionaire leaders I might add. I bet most people who work for unions and pay union fees don't know how much their leaders(who are supposedly on their side) are lining their pockets. Most would be sickened if they found out. I personally would rather work at Wal-Mart than for a union. The reason why Wal-Mart buys so much from overseas is because the unions have artificially over-inflated wages so much that American companies can't afford to stay in business.

Remember the same people who come up with the anti Wal-Mart propaganda are the same people who want to steal your guns. We live in a free country that promotes free trade and a free market. I buy things wherever I can get the best value. I don't just look at prices, I look at what I'm getting for the price. I personally don't care about what goes on inside a company its not my business. If I can get a better deal at x store compared to y store I will buy from x store.

Wal-Mart isn't forcing anybody to work for them and what most people don't know about employment is that by federal law employment is an at-will agreement by both employer and employee. An employer can't force an employee to work if the employee doesn't want to and at the same time the employer can fire the employee for any or no reason as long as there isn't discrimination involved. There is no way that Wal-Mart could be so successful if they had the ridiculous turnover rate that some claim they have. Anybody who knows anything about business knows that high turnover rates destroy companies. I don't see Wal-Mart being destroyed but I do see some people trying to destroy Wal-Mart.

If I worked at Wal-Mart and was treated badly, guess what I would quit. At one of my local Wal-Marts I've seen some employees that have worked there for years. I've also seen a lot of lazy bums who just stand around and don't do anything. The lower wage jobs tend to be filled by a lot of people that fit this description and it isn't very hard to retrain somebody for these lower wage positions. In this country you get paid for what you know how to do and how well you do it. The market determines how much everything is and I don't think it should be manipulated. Manipulation of a free market causes disaster.
 
COSTCO Average workers earnings----- $16.00 per hour

WAL-MART Average workers earnings--- $9.68 per hour

You can thank your local labor union for that as well. Bill T.

http://www.laborresearch.org/print.php?id=391

"“The union contracts raise the bar and set the standard for all employees,” explained Aloise. “Still, while the company extends wage and pay raises to non-union employees, only union members enjoy benefits like seniority-based promotions, a grievance procedure and minimum hours for part-time workers,” he added."
 
More Facts ...

A great experience at a Mom & Pop store!

Today, I was in a decent sized well stocked privately owned (bow/gun/muzzle-loader/fishing tackle/clothing etc.) sporting goods store. This was in another state while vacationing and casually on my way home. Once inside, I saw a great looking display of (50-60+ ) holsters. I would say it was the largest most complete selection of holsters I have found in one location. Most were soft black leather, all priced 20 - 30 % less than I expected. After a closer look on the back of each package ..…“Made in China“. I suspect this store doubled the price over their original cost. My guess is they were all “keystone” priced by the wholesalers/distributors, and the importer all the way back to the beginning, with each making double money or more profits. That’s ok, they are in business to make $ and were priced less than I expected. Much of the fishing gear also had foreign origin. Some of the fly rods, tackle, wading boots etc. were also foreign made. Bu it was not a concern to me as long as it was quality merchandise.

However ……..

I had just spent about 3 hours driving around a two county area sight-seeing while looking for a gun shop. I asked several (even at the little dinner where I had breakfast) locals in the small towns if there were a sporting goods store located in there area. They said that other than Gander Mt. in the city, most all would be closed on a Sunday.

Now, the one store I did find open (the first store mentioned above) the owner was somewhat friendly at first with small talk (that I initiated). She never offered to assist me or even ask what I was looking for, and I was the only customer.
After about five minutes or so, I asked her (she was no doubt the wife and owner) if she had a _ _ in a used rifle, she said "no“. That’s all she said, just “NO”! I then asked if they had a used _ _ rifle, she said "No we don‘t". Then I said again, … "How about a _ _ in a used rifle”? This time she said, "We Don't Sell ANY Used Rifles". The conversation was just as I have quoted. I never heard a friendly word or even a "sorry sir, we don't sell used firearms" from her. Then moments later, a man appears who works there. We said hello and that’s about all. Then in about 2 minutes, from the far end of the store, I hear this guy (it was hubby) tell this yippy snotty little rag dog sitting on his lap "Yes poochie-poochie cooo, we will go as soon as that man leaves". So I slowly and carefully looked at everything in the store. They I took my 600 bucks cash that I came in with (to hopefully buy a target rifle) and split without saying a word. I really had wanted to purchase a rifle somewhere today. Maybe there is a Wal-mart in town, and maybe Mom and Pop will read this forum!
 
Sorry guys for bumping this very only thread... I found this forum by way of google and searching out information about gun ranges in Palm Beach County, Florida banning the use of outside ammunition and targets in their ranges. My message is essentially directed at azurefly and if he had PM and/or Email turned on I wouldn't of needed to bump this. :)

azurefly,

Can you please shoot me a PM or send me an email via the message board. I am very interested in your experiences at PBC ranges regarding what you've been told in reference to not being allowed to bringing your own ammunition. I'm most interested in hearing about the reasons you were given and if you were pointed to some county ordinance that is forcing them to enforce such a policy. At any rate, I'd love to hear from you and discuss some other things related to this topic. Please get in touch!

Thank you guys. I'll definitely be reading this entire thread after I get some sleep as this issue interests me greatly!
 
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