So, are you confident with the 9x19 for CCW?

Stopped owning any 9mm long ago

I have two and yes I trust them daily.
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posted by BoneDigger

Except perhaps when shooting hogs.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375294&highlight=hog

I spend a lot of time in the Alaska bush; even having lived there for a time. For me I see no reason to even consider a 9mm, if I am putting animals into the equation; at least Alaska game animals.

A can of bear spray, a good hunting rifle preferable a magnum, a 12 gauge with hard slugs, a large caliber handgun. (In that order.) 9mm is not included in my list.

I realize that the OP might be only including two-leggeds; however, read BoneDiggers post at the above link.

I personally carry 10mm auto and .45 auto as CCWs. I will take every reasonable advantage that I can; short of carry a RPG, not reasonable, although the flame thrower for bear defense is tempting!

I find it hard to fault the old saying about a .45 not shrinking.

Of course shot placement is always paramount.

With all that said, I do own a .25 auto that I CC on the occasion that I am not "comfortable" carrying something larger; as in absolutely can not be known to be carrying, and feel that the threat level is very minimal.
 
The 9mm is not one of my favorite calibers; matter of fact, I don't own any at all. However, if the question is would I trust a 9mm for carry, the answer is obviously yes for me. Depending on the time of year, temperature, and clothing I'm wearing, I carry a 32acp, a 9mm makarov, or a 45acp. So, if I totally trust 100% my 32acp, it makes sense that the 9mm luger would work just fine. I think if a person doesn't trust or isn't confident in a particular caliber, it's not the caliber. It's a Freudian slip. The truth is, they don't trust or are confident in their capabilities.

As far as requiring more shots with a 9mm that another caliber, my response is quite simple. I don't care if I'm carrying a 32acp, 9mm, 45acp, or my 357 magnum. I WILL fire 3 shots immediately. That is not an option. I will NEVER fire just 1 just. If I'm going to the point of actually firing a gun at someone, it will not be to "Scare" them. It will be to kill them. And I have absolutely no reservation about that. They will get 3 shots immediately to the largest part of the body that I can access at that time. Within less that a second or so, I will assess the situation. If the person has any offensive physical actions at all, they are getting 2 more shots. In the neck/head area. If there is still offensive movement, I will continue with 2 more shots.

If anyone is considering one caliber over another because of the "One Shot Stop" capabilities; then they are totally mistaken. There's no such thing. A 22LR can stop a person with 1 shot, and a 44 magnum might not stop a person with one shot. And you you NEVER fire only one round. If you are going to pull a gun on a person, you need to be willing to pull the trigger and be willing to kill the person. And, if you're willing to pull the trigger, then you need to start with at 3 shots. And 3 shots of a 32acp, 380, mak, or anything higher, will be quite effective if you are a practiced marksman. If you have a gun in the dresser and never shoot it, then you shouldn't even have a 9mm or any similar semi-auto weapon. If you're not going to practice and be skilled, you're better off with a 357mag/38spl revolver. Even then, a bullet is only effective if you hit what you are aiming at. If you hit what you're aiming at, it doesn't matter what the caliber is.
 
The sidearm on top is what rides with me every day, bar none. The rifle below it is what I would carry if it didn't freak out the winter visitors!

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I like 9mm.

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Loaded with good quality rounds, I feel just fine. :cool:
 
What do you think of the P-07, ArmoredMan?

I'm a CZ fan, and I don't have a major anti-polymer bias, but that pistol still looks odd to me.

How does it shoot?
 
My favorite round has always been the .357 magnum with the 44 mag and 45 Colt being up there as well. Among others, I often carry a little Kahr PM9 9mm though. I'm very confident in my abilities with that round and that gun.

Any quality service grade round with good reliability, accuracy and penetration to vitals will do the job so I don't worry about what i'm carrying. It's more important for me to have a gun with me, use sound tactics, and put the bullets where they're supposed to go.
 
MLeake, it is accurate enough, trigger is better out of the box than some, feels OK, just differant from anything CZ has made before. One thing it isn't, and that is that abortion the CZ-100.
It's taking some getting used to, but I think this might eventually be CZs answer to polymer. It has great potential! Shown here after I installed the decocker - included in the package, and installable by the owner.


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BUT, the thread is about 9mm, and yes, I feel just fine with 9mm. Especially when the launcher says CZ. :)
 
The 9x19 is a perfectly fine defensive caliber. Comparisons are pointless when factoring in what it can do.

What it can do is stop an attack, and rather efficiently, in a handgun package that is often lighter, smaller, and less expensive than the larger caliber firearms. The ammo is also cheaper than the larger calibers, which leads to more frequent practice, thus better odds of actually stopping someone with it.

Honestly, I think it's the most "well rounded" caliber of the entire bunch.
 
With hot +P or +P+ loads using premium JHPs, absolutely. With FMJ's no way!
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I agree. But don't forget that our military is armed with 9mm FMJ for their issue side arm. When I was in the Army the issued side arm was the 1911. But I wonder if any of our presently serving forum members have any input?
 
I would feel confident with a 9mm with quality HPs, but I feel a .45 is a bit better in that it has a much larger and heavier bullet. Therefore I feel it would create larger wounds. You bleed faster from larger wounds. Not to mention you destroy more tissue
 
All right, HOLD IT!

I'd like to point out that NYPD (largest PD in the country?) is quite happy with their G19's and Speer 124 +P JHP's after more than a few acutal shootings. :cool:

And don't bring up those incidents where multiple officers fired multiple rounds, most of which were misses, either.:p

Ready, RESUME ARGUMENT!
 
You don't bleed faster from a 45 wound to the arm than you do from a 9mm wound to the heart. And, trust me, somebody's heart won't know the difference between a 45 and a 9mm size hole. So, while generally speaking a larger bullet leads to more tissue damage, there are exceptions to that being meaningful in terms of stopping an attacker. Shot placement with a decent sized caliber (I would include 9mm in that) is going to be the determining factor. It doesn't look like balistically to me you need a +p or certainly not +p+. You get decent ballistics out of a 4" barrel with a standard pressure JHP. There's way too much of the bigger is better and faster isn't fast enough advice on some of these forums that it's kinda hard to stay in reality here. It's the people on here who say that they would just start firing 3 or 4 shots rapidly that scare me. In a moment when you're adrenaline has you messed up anyway, how many of those rapid shots are going to be misses that endanger innocent bystanders rather than one or two relatively calm, well-placed upper or mid-torso shots. And, aiming for the head or neck is a lost cause generally. Unless you're five feet away, that bullet will probably never be seen again. Just think about it. There's a reason a cop will generally fire one or two center of mass shots unless the bottom has just dropped out and there's a complete shoot-out happening. There's also a reason that about half the cops in the country carry 9mm - it's effective.
 
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My usual daily carry is a .45 ACP, but now and then I do pack my Hi-Power around instead, and have never felt under-gunned with it. I like the 9mm, and have never agreed with the those that think it underpowered and outdated. For a hand gun cartridge, it does well with its power/accuracy/recoil levels........but handguns are for fun, rifles are for real work.
 
As we all know the 9X19 effectiveness is high on the list as most discussed subjects on gun forums. But when you think about it it is a little weird. We are talking about a round that has been around since about 1904. We are talking about a pistol round that is without a doubt used by more military and police agencies in the world than any other pistol round. And as far as world wide, I bet the high percentage use FMJ ammo not HP's.

So, confidence in the a 9X19 is a moot point for me.
 
It's funny to me that for some folks a 125 grain bullet coming out of a .357 magnum at 1400 fps is the 'best man stopper in the world'....

But a 124 grain bullet coming out of a 9mm at 1200 fps is 'marginal'...

I don't need a lesson in what the extra 200 fps gives you in terms of performance, but come on...the bullets are the same diameter and essentially the same weight...they gotta be close to the same in terms of performance.

Can we just assume from now on that all handgun cartridges are pretty marginal...but when compared to each other, they are all pretty much the same?

Enough already...aren't there better things to discuss pertaining to firearms? Or is this all we have to discuss?
 
But a 124 grain bullet coming out of a 9mm at 1200 fps is 'marginal'...
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Haven't thought of it in .357 mag terms before, but thats a good point.

My thinking has been if I am OK with my .38 spl. 125g +P @ 270 ft. lbs, why would I not be OK with my 9mm 124g +P @ 410 ft. lbs.

And if 9mm at 1200 fps is marginal then what would you call a .38 +P at 945 fps.:eek:
 
Join Date: June 15, 2009
Posts: 152 You don't bleed faster from a 45 wound to the arm than you do from a 9mm wound to the heart. And, trust me, somebody's heart won't know the difference between a 45 and a 9mm size hole.
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That's being rather simplistic when only direct hits are considered. A .45 that expands from .70 to .90 caliber might just damage some vitals that the 9mm at .65 caliber might miss, or damage little.

Not sure that the 9mm's smaller hole thru a lung is equal to the larger one created by the .45. Of course, some 9mm ammo expands real well, and some .45 only marginally.

That's why a discussion of ammo selection might be more relevent than just talking about caliber, or at leat should be included.
 
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