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Sound suppressors are great and I wish they were mandatory on all rifles.
Check out http://www.silencertests.com/ - I participated in that event back in '06
I shot my CRAZY HORSE® US NAVY MK14 SEI MOD 0 and a Fisher suppressor - Video Link
I'll soon be running the same can on my 7.62 x 39 AKs.
Check out http://www.silencertests.com/ - I participated in that event back in '06
I shot my CRAZY HORSE® US NAVY MK14 SEI MOD 0 and a Fisher suppressor - Video Link
I'll soon be running the same can on my 7.62 x 39 AKs.
ZeroJunk:
Did you miss post numbers: 43, 62, 86, 87, 95, 97 and probably others where the use of silencers was explained.
ZeroJunk:
???
Do you find that your inflammatory characterization of those who are posting on this thread helpful to the discussion? I expected better from you. I neither make nor sell silencers and I am not a Rambo wannabe, whatever that is. I am an engineer and a project manager by training and license. Do you watch too much TV? This kind of perspective can come from the false presentations of lawful gun use by Hollywood.
Did you miss post numbers: 43, 62, 86, 87, 95, 97 and probably others where the use of silencers was explained.
ZeroJunk:
???
Do you find that your inflammatory characterization of those who are posting on this thread helpful to the discussion? I expected better from you. I neither make nor sell silencers and I am not a Rambo wannabe, whatever that is. I am an engineer and a project manager by training and license. Do you watch too much TV? This kind of perspective can come from the false presentations of lawful gun use by Hollywood.
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Ridge_Runner_5
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Seeing as you joined yesterday, have about all your posts in this 1 thread, and have an equally immature name;
1. You have no room to talk
2. You are probably the same person with a 2nd account
3. You shouldnt be posting on these forums until you get your GED
Ridge Runner, some of these guys have a monetary interest in the sale of sliencers. Others are recruits from some silencer forum. Good old boys I'm sure, but not representative. And there are a couple that just like silencers and can make a coherent sentence wiithout demonizing anybody who doesn't.
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I was giving deference to VUPDblue because even though I disagree, he is civil. Comparing hunting licenses and pilot licenses to silencers and machine guns is a stretch to anybody other than the choir.
If you ask NC LEO's " Are silencers legal?" with no coaching, the answer will be overwhelmingly "No". If this is inconvenient perhaps some advertising would help since almost everybody is aware that concealed carry permits are obtainable although concealed weapons are still illegal otherwise. Few other than the choir would think the reward/benefit for the trouble involved between getting a CCW permit or a silencer "permit" is a valid comparison. Anything about disliking silencers making gun owners look bad or demonstating one is
A bigger enemy to the perception of gun owners is the posts in public forums that come across as petty and shallow.
Post 50
I was giving deference to VUPDblue because even though I disagree, he is civil. Comparing hunting licenses and pilot licenses to silencers and machine guns is a stretch to anybody other than the choir.
If you ask NC LEO's " Are silencers legal?" with no coaching, the answer will be overwhelmingly "No". If this is inconvenient perhaps some advertising would help since almost everybody is aware that concealed carry permits are obtainable although concealed weapons are still illegal otherwise. Few other than the choir would think the reward/benefit for the trouble involved between getting a CCW permit or a silencer "permit" is a valid comparison. Anything about disliking silencers making gun owners look bad or demonstating one is
is preposterous.
A bigger enemy to the perception of gun owners is the posts in public forums that come across as petty and shallow.
" Harry Bonar
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Join Date: 2004-12-05
Location: In the Vincent, Ohio general area.
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Sirs;
I have simply given my opinion. That is all it is - it is simply no reason for the personal attacks which I deem to be mean spirited and impolite.
I've tried to just brush this off and defuse the situation but to no avail.
It appears that there is no respect given to a 73 year old mans simple opinion anymore. The statements made about me are all false; I've been a supporter on T.V. and news print in my area for gun rights several times. I've worked on guns my entire adult life - I love guns.
I've done "contract" work for Charleston WVa police sniper division - homeland defense, desert storm A10 pilots and many other agencies un-named. I've supplied an ex-Vietnam sniper, forensic team leader whose picture with his crew was in J.Edgar Hoovers office till his retirement. I worked contracted for Wayne Novaks 45 Shop for years on special projects.
I am a loyal American and support the second amendment. I'm old fashioned in my views and make no apology for them.
Now, I've taken your remarks and resent them and will post no more on this subject - my views run the same now as then
Now, I wish you all well - I hope you enjoy your sport; I just would like some of you to grow up and respect others opinions without demeaning them personally. I wish you all well.
Harry B."
By my count you were the first with the insults. Educate yourself.
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Join Date: 2004-12-05
Location: In the Vincent, Ohio general area.
Posts: 1,436
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Sirs;
I have simply given my opinion. That is all it is - it is simply no reason for the personal attacks which I deem to be mean spirited and impolite.
I've tried to just brush this off and defuse the situation but to no avail.
It appears that there is no respect given to a 73 year old mans simple opinion anymore. The statements made about me are all false; I've been a supporter on T.V. and news print in my area for gun rights several times. I've worked on guns my entire adult life - I love guns.
I've done "contract" work for Charleston WVa police sniper division - homeland defense, desert storm A10 pilots and many other agencies un-named. I've supplied an ex-Vietnam sniper, forensic team leader whose picture with his crew was in J.Edgar Hoovers office till his retirement. I worked contracted for Wayne Novaks 45 Shop for years on special projects.
I am a loyal American and support the second amendment. I'm old fashioned in my views and make no apology for them.
Now, I've taken your remarks and resent them and will post no more on this subject - my views run the same now as then
Now, I wish you all well - I hope you enjoy your sport; I just would like some of you to grow up and respect others opinions without demeaning them personally. I wish you all well.
Harry B."
By my count you were the first with the insults. Educate yourself.
OK..I've read 6 pages of this, and now I would like to add a thing or two.
1) Silencers are legal in many places, whether you like it or not.
2) Criminals are opportunistic in nature. If they want to kill you silently, they will do it with a knife, pillow, homemade silencer, or steal one from a legal owner. Criminals don't care if it is legal or not. Criminals don't care about your opinions either.
3) Silencers can be used for reasons other than hollywood like assassinations. There are plenty of legal reason to utilize one. How great the need for a silencer is, however, is arguable.
4) If you are a sensitive person, don't make unreasonable, un-informed comments that are likely to draw criticism.
Anyway, all that being said, silencers are legal in NC, even though you can't just go get one at wal-mart. And they're jolly good fun too.
1) Silencers are legal in many places, whether you like it or not.
2) Criminals are opportunistic in nature. If they want to kill you silently, they will do it with a knife, pillow, homemade silencer, or steal one from a legal owner. Criminals don't care if it is legal or not. Criminals don't care about your opinions either.
3) Silencers can be used for reasons other than hollywood like assassinations. There are plenty of legal reason to utilize one. How great the need for a silencer is, however, is arguable.
4) If you are a sensitive person, don't make unreasonable, un-informed comments that are likely to draw criticism.
Anyway, all that being said, silencers are legal in NC, even though you can't just go get one at wal-mart. And they're jolly good fun too.
AtomicLabRat
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Here is a picture of Hairy Boner speaking his mind:
ZeroJunk,
You keep equivocating, changing context, and simply misdirecting to attempt to support your point. You've got no legs to stand on in this argument. You were factually wrong and many people have pointed out. With nothing factual and no good argument fall back on, you found it easier to attack the messengers by saying they called you names or have a vested interest in silencers.
Here are few concrete examples:
In short, your and Harry's ignorance of the law and of the prevailing use of suppressors is the problem. You're both getting strong feedback here for good reason. Think of it as a form of peer "correction."
-z
You keep equivocating, changing context, and simply misdirecting to attempt to support your point. You've got no legs to stand on in this argument. You were factually wrong and many people have pointed out. With nothing factual and no good argument fall back on, you found it easier to attack the messengers by saying they called you names or have a vested interest in silencers.
Here are few concrete examples:
No. Saying
makes one an enemy of shooters and the 2nd Amendment.
In fact, I compared a CCW license/permit to the NFA transfer tax because, in NC, both have very similar applicant background requirements, paperwork, LEO approval, cost, and wait time once the application is submitted. Nobody would say "CCW is illegal" under these circumstances; yet you maintain it's perfectly fine to allege that silencers are 100% illegal. This is you grasping at straws to maintain an untenable position once people showed that silencers are in fact not illegal in NC per the partial law you posted.
In short, your and Harry's ignorance of the law and of the prevailing use of suppressors is the problem. You're both getting strong feedback here for good reason. Think of it as a form of peer "correction."
-z
Silencers are legal for private ownership in the following states: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, ME, MD, MS, MT, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WV, WI, and WY.
KS Governor signed legislation, a few months ago, that will allow Kansas firearm retailers, manufacturers, importers and citizens qualified under the National Firearms Act to sell, manufacture, import and own NFA firearms.
Additionally, they may be owned by Class 3 dealers and Class 2 manufacturers (but not individuals) in: CA, IA, MA, MO, and MI.
Please, any one is welcome to correct my list if I'm wrong.
The smart ones will check with BATF, the States Statutes, State Attorneys office, Silencer forum, Local class 3 dealer or Silencer manufacturer for information on silencers.
The dumb ones....well, we already know where they go.
MisterWilson
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Since when is asking LEO's about the law a good idea?
You could as 100 officers if open carry is legal (in the states it's allowed) and I'd wager that most of them would instinctively reply "no".
A poor arguement, at best.
You could as 100 officers if open carry is legal (in the states it's allowed) and I'd wager that most of them would instinctively reply "no".
A poor arguement, at best.
LOL, the reason we are getting strong feedback is because you are dragging these one or two posters over here from another forum, or they work for you.
The only reason NC residents have to go through the NFA hurdle is because NC law says specifically that silencers are illegal. Concealed weapons are specifically illegal also with exceptions that most are more familiar with. If the nuance of this is too much for you , I understand.
Again you go off half-cocked with assumptions and incorrect facts. SC-Texas started the thread on AR15.com, not me. The only reason I posted to his thread was to make a correction since he attributed something someone else said to me and I do not like to have things wrongfully attributed to me. I'm not "dragging" anyone over here. Nobody here "works for me", and I don't know how you got that idea. Perhaps you made it up like your interpretation of NC NFA law.
To be clear, ad hominem attacks to the other side do not help your argument. However, if you feel compelled to personally attack me for other reasons, at least get your facts straight and cite them properly.
-z
I agree. I was a sleeping dog, but Zak couldn't stand it.
And as with all threads, once somebody learns how to spell ad hominem the usefullness is over.
I see little room for interpretation. Maybe you could petition the NC General Assembly to have it removed.
I see no mention of him or you before your first post.
Leveling new allegations doesn't generally count as letting sleeping dogs lie ("you are dragging these one or two posters over here from another forum, or they work for you."). I see no reason to let fallacious arguments or incorrect facts sit without refutation; it gives the appearance of acceptance. Furthermore, aspersions on my actions and character are unwarranted and deserve rebuttal.
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