READ BEFORE POSTING! World Trade Center Terror Attack?

John...understood and agreed.

Admiration might have been a poor choice of words, but I think I understand what you meant.

What's this about explosions in Kabul??
 
Please, Please, Please.....
Let the explosions in Kabul be a response by GWB. And let us find that he was acting on information that has not yet been released to us. No Congress, No Media, No Debate......
Just Simple American Response.....our FIRST.

Rich
 
(paraphrase from CNN)

"...several busloads of reporters are on the way to be briefed by Sec. Rumsfeld"

...timing is right to explain a quick retaliation...

(fingers crossed)
 
Sec. Rumsfeld giving an address on CNN:
US has no involvement in the action going on in Kabul.
(sorry. missed the above posts.)
 
Patience Maxin ... the ball is just starting to roll.

Better they first establish valid targets, then act. A retaliation in haste, that unduly puts civilian targets in danger, makes us no better than them. There's no way whoever did this is going to survive unscathed, of that we can we certain.

For now.. God Bless us All. It's going to be a hard ride for a while...

-K
 
Gas in Mass (attleboro), still $1.40-1.45 (@ 7:00PM). I figured Irun out after the comment about gas prices rising

My prayers to all the people killed and injured today.

I hope we (the US) do something! It's time to take off the gloves!
 
NYFD reports approx 200 firemen dead/missing

NYPD reports 78 Officers dead/missing

Richard Holbroke says that any country that harbors terrorists must be considered At War with the US. That opens thing wide open.

NOw he says that anyone that doesn't help should be considered an enemy! YIKES!
 
It`s been revised.

Fox reports 250 FDNY missing, 200 NYPD. Wait until the civilian casualty reports are finalized. It will boggle the mind.
 
Gas went from $1.70 to $2.10 today here, it's $2.79 20 miles down the road. They say it's around $3.00 in Lincoln, IL, so I imagine it's higher in Chicago.

My mother was evacuated from an Illinois state government building today and stopped for gas on the way home. She warned me earlier that the clerk at the local station was on the phone with someone who warned that all oil imports would be cut off. I haven't heard that reported anywhere else, but at least in Illinois, they seem to be pricing on that assumption.

Congratulations on your handling of this thread so far, everyone. I didn't get to check in until 4:00 and wasn't sure what I'd find. I should have known better--this is TFL.
 
Admitedly, as much as 40,000 gallons of fuel makes a very large molotov but also, even in a tower fire inferno like these I am unable to see how a fuel fire can take down that much steel and concrete so effectively TWICE.
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The answer is very simple, it didn't. What it did is weaken the structure and let gravity do the rest. It only needed one part of the reinforced concrete to fail for the whole thing to come down. That is the reason why the building imploded. Those bastards knew what they where doing.
 
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Structural steel isn't very structural when subjected to fire. That is why steel skeleton buildings that are to be occupied have non structural fire resistant covers over all the important beams. Used to use asbestos blanketing; now plaster, drywall etc are used. Big single story buildings leave the beams exposed. Less stress from above and easy to evacuate.

Not hard to imagine the impact stripping the insulation from a lot of key steel beams. Then it doesn't take long for a fire of that magnitude to weaken the house of cards to the point where it collapses.

Even without an explosion or heavy impact, fire is a very real danger on high rise buildings.

The MGM Grand building didn't have an explosion, yet the fire damage was such that the building wasn't considered salvagable.

These buildings suffered from both heavy explosive force and massive fires.

No need for cutters.

Sam
 
Well, I know about 40 pages of technical details MORE than I did before about skyscraper construction and about that of the WTC in particular.

Also, I suspect that the fuel in those few floors and what went down the elevator shafts and stairs did, after an hour get the temperature up high enough to dramatically weaken those several floors almost at once.

The design being all perimeter support then may have had as many as 10 floors weakened almost simultaneously and those fell on the ones below. I can visualize it much differently now. In the areas where the previous bombing was, there were lots of pilars supporting the floors all through the middle areas. In the upper floors there were none.

I sincerly apologize for my heated antagonism about this situation and appreciate everyone staying civil toward me!

I hope that one of our proposed responses is to build back an even larger, stronger, more advanced building; one which can be an exercise in the best that international cooperation can achieve and that the building serve as a monument to our planetary cooperation. Perhaps it could be a monument to something good that all nations could support with important corporate, government and social head quarters from around the world. Perhaps it could be an international monument of understanding; greater in size and usefullness than any before it. And hopefully it can be dedicated to edify the Universal God whomever and whatever that may be for each of us. Not a sermon; just a thought.
 
Any body considered that the hijackers may have had biological weapons on board ???

A little bit of Anthrax goes a long way... but I guess we wont find out for a week or so.
 
I'm no expert on biological weapons, but someone who is told me the following:

There is no way that Anthrax (a virus) could have survived the heat of the fire.
 
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