protest near Bush farm....

There is a funny onion article about the ACLU, the headline is

"ACLU defends KKKs right to blow up ACLU headquarters"

If the rights of the lowest members of society are threatened, then everyone's rights are threatened.
 
Our soldiers had to buy thier own body armor. We still have unarmored vehicles in Iraq
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My uncle, who served in Vietnam, and both Iraqi wars take on this:

Not every truck needs to have armor.

He drove unarmored tankers around, and it didn't bother him that they wern't armored. He doesn't not like armor, he just doesn't see it as a prerequiset to fighting.
 
All due respect. "I support the troops but not their mission" is a load of B.S.Thats the same crap the sheehan supporters say on tv, and yet when a Mother and sister who lost a loved one in Iraq came to remove his cross from sheehans tv props, the mother was told that her son was a murderer. Its the same crap all over again. When the anti war crowd arent gaining enough traction badmouthing the political leadership they turn on the troops. The truth is these people are not anti Iraq war, they are anti any war. They have found nothing in their lives worth fighting for. Ask the folks over there if they buy that line. Every time some idiot goes on tv ranting and spewing that crap, some raghead watching cnn giggles and figures its just a matter of time . See they all know that Americans will do this. Its just a matter of time. There were huge mistakes made during WW11, Halseys frequent detours through typhoons, the Falaise gap, the battle of the bulge, And on and on. The difference? We didnt just throw up our hands and start screamin bring em home nobody knows what their doing. I cant even begin to adress the distortions, misinformation, and outright lies that are told on a day to day basis. What about the fact that we dont ever hear any of the good things happening there? The media wont print or report anything that is not negative to Bush. I Dont believe he started the war with anything in mind other than protecting us. Do I think there have been mistakes made? Damn right, its a war! there is no such thing as perfect. I wish there were but there is not. This sheehan woman has lied and changed her tune so many times its pathetic. unfortunately she has transformed herself from a grieving mom to a sick joke with her crap
 
I love Ann Coulter

I'm letting this Sheehan idjit raise my blood pressure way too much. :barf:



CINDY SHEEHAN: COMMANDER IN GRIEF
by Ann Coulter
August 17, 2005

To expiate the pain of losing her firstborn son in the Iraq war, Cindy Sheehan decided to cheer herself up by engaging in Stalinist agitprop outside President Bush's Crawford ranch. It's the strangest method of grieving I've seen since Paul Wellstone's funeral. Someone needs to teach these liberals how to mourn.

Call me old-fashioned, but a grief-stricken war mother shouldn't have her own full-time PR flack. After your third profile on "Entertainment Tonight," you're no longer a grieving mom; you're a C-list celebrity trolling for a book deal or a reality show.

We're sorry about Ms. Sheehan's son, but the entire nation was attacked on 9/11. This isn't about her personal loss. America has been under relentless attack from Islamic terrorists for 20 years, culminating in a devastating attack on U.S. soil on 9/11. It's not going to stop unless we fight back, annihilate Muslim fanatics, destroy their bases, eliminate their sponsors and end all their hope. A lot more mothers will be grieving if our military policy is: No one gets hurt!

Fortunately, the Constitution vests authority to make foreign policy with the president of the United States, not with this week's sad story. But liberals think that since they have been able to produce a grieving mother, the commander in chief should step aside and let Cindy Sheehan make foreign policy for the nation. As Maureen Dowd said, it's "inhumane" for Bush not "to understand that the moral authority of parents who bury children killed in Iraq is absolute."

I'm not sure what "moral authority" is supposed to mean in that sentence, but if it has anything to do with Cindy Sheehan dictating America's foreign policy, then no, it is not "absolute." It's not even conditional, provisional, fleeting, theoretical or ephemeral.

The logical, intellectual and ethical shortcomings of such a statement are staggering. If one dead son means no one can win an argument with you, how about two dead sons? What if the person arguing with you is a mother who also lost a son in Iraq and she's pro-war? Do we decide the winner with a coin toss? Or do we see if there's a woman out there who lost two children in Iraq and see what she thinks about the war?

Dowd's "absolute" moral authority column demonstrates, once again, what can happen when liberals start tossing around terms they don't understand like "absolute" and "moral." It seems that the inspiration for Dowd's column was also absolute. On the rocks.

Liberals demand that we listen with rapt attention to Sheehan, but she has nothing new to say about the war. At least nothing we haven't heard from Michael Moore since approximately 11 a.m., Sept. 11, 2001. It's a neocon war; we're fighting for Israel; it's a war for oil; Bush lied, kids died; there is no connection between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida. Turn on MSNBC's "Hardball" and you can hear it right now. At this point, Cindy Sheehan is like a touring company of Air America radio: Same old script and it's not even the original cast.

These arguments didn't persuade Hillary Clinton or John McCain to vote against the war. They didn't persuade Democratic primary voters, who unceremoniously dumped anti-war candidate Howard Dean in favor of John Kerry, who voted for the war before he voted against it. They certainly didn't persuade a majority of American voters who re-upped George Bush's tenure as the nation's commander in chief last November.

But now liberals demand that we listen to the same old arguments all over again, not because Sheehan has any new insights, but because she has the ability to repel dissent by citing her grief.

On the bright side, Sheehan shows us what Democrats would say if they thought they were immunized from disagreement. Sheehan has called President Bush "that filth-spewer and warmonger." She says "America has been killing people on this continent since it was started" and "the killing has gone on unabated for over 200 years." She calls the U.S. government a "morally repugnant system" and says, "This country is not worth dying for." I have a feeling every time this gal opens her trap, Michael Moore gets a residuals check.

Evidently, however, there are some things worth killing for. Sheehan recently said she only seemed calm "because if I started hitting something, I wouldn't stop 'til it was dead." It's a wonder Bush won't meet with her.
 
Ok, lets pretend

Lets just say on Monday all the troops will get orders. The military has 3 weeks to get all troops and equipment out of Iraq. Let us just pretend this is ordered and goes as plan. What do the sh*t and git folks that want our guys and ladies home right now think will happen in Iraq. Many would say why should we care..... Here are a few reasons we might want to care. Over 1800 brave troops gave all and left this world on the mission in Iraq. Would that serve justice and honor to the service they gave in such an honorable way? Ok, how about when we have left. How long until the country went out of control? You think 3.00 a gallon is bad now......... I am guessing we could see the price double on that mark. Let see would Iran or Syria be the new rule of Iraq within 6 months? So........when we say we want our troops out now, lets think about the impact if that wish was granted to the sour apples of this country that hate all the things we have done........many of which were and continue to be good.
 
Rojo: I would like to respond to that, but there is another thread that is directly related to that question: It is titled:

Do you support the war in Iraq?

I will post my answer there. See you! :)
 
The President has met with her... twice. Back when she was an agrieved mother. Now shes a lunatic. Why would he meet with another lunatic?
 
The press makes me sick, they are pimping her for their profit... Not freedom of speach! While I as a parent feel deeply for her loss, she does her son as a soldier a great disservice. He signed on for the job, and the beliefs behind it. This isn't 1965 and his number wasn't drawn. Too bad her beliefs aren't as deep as his were... It would give SOME comfort. To him and all his brothers alive and gone, I say thank you!! They are the best...
CraigJS
 
...that's right...only the antis have the right to protest and voice their opinion.

"Shut your cake hole!"

Some of us on the other side have the right to live in peace without the yapping. Oh wait wait, here it comes, the classic response "We'll then don't listen. Don't read the stories. Don't turn on the TV". Uhhuh, sure. While I'm at it, let me crawl in a hole and when you're ready for me to live my life again, let me know so I can crawl out. Get real, you can complain, I can complain.

Bush has met with her, people. Get over that complaint already. Because she didn't like the answer, she wants to do it again. And she won't like the answer again should there be a subsequent meeting. I can see it now, they'll have to drag..uhh, usher her out, kicking and screaming because she got vehement, again, because she didn't like the answer she was given. What's new. She won't like any answer she's given. How will she be satisfied with her list of wild theories? Besides, nothing she can do will bring her son back. She's got deep issues and she needs someone to blame. Even if she had nothing else to be angry about and the whole Iraq/war thing ceased, she would still not be "ok" because she's so grieved of the loss of her son.

As for Mr Shotgun Neighbor, dumb choice to scare the sheeple, sure. But all within the law. I laughed when the story came on the news..."The man will face no charges. Law Enforcement Officials say he did nothing illegal" :D Duh. I see this along the lines of open carry at a crowded establishment. People will scream they were "wronged" and something was illegal because they are ignorant and scared.

Now Sheehan has gone to be with her sick mom. Gee, I haven't heard as much coverage and static since she left the camp. Are her sheep lost and confused without her?

As for the mention of spreading skunk scent, lol, nice

The guy that vandalized the crosses setup along side the road for the soldiers killed, I was disgusted with that.

Overall, I think non-natives entering Texas should be required to take a test.
 
By the way,

I have no problem with shooting a shotgun in the air to piss off the neighbors. Someone here said "a firearm is only for self defense".

Except for illegal actions, my firearm is for whatever I please. Up to and including shooting it in the air to piss of some liberals protesting on the road. However, I would have been a bit more direct. Perhaps doing some target proctice right across the road.

But that is just me.
 
I wonder if she will come back to the camp. Texas in August on the side of an ashphalt road is somewhat akin to being in hell and having to stoke the furnace to boot. I am surprised she didn't find an excuse to leave sooner. If she comes, back then I will give her credit for stubborness, but not for brains.

She has a right to protest the war, as long as she stays within the law. So far she seems to have done that. To think that there are people out there who won't use her is naive in the extreme.

If a Mother who lost a son in Iraq was to camp out on the other side of the road in support of the war, you can bet that there would be people all over America jumping up and down clapping and shouting hooray, and wanting to use her too.
 
This could become interesting. A pro-Bush camp has now sprung up, parents that are mad about their kids that died having crossees up at the protest.

Of course, this wasn't a headline at CNN.com nearly as long as the news about the other camp was.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/20/crawford.counterprotest.ap/index.html

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) -- A pro-Bush camp with a "God Bless Our President!" banner sprung up downtown Saturday, countering the anti-war demonstration started by a fallen soldier's mother two weeks ago near President Bush's ranch.

The camp is named "Fort Qualls," in memory of Marine Lance Cpl. Louis Wayne Qualls, 20, who died in Iraq last fall.

"If I have to sacrifice my whole family for the sake of our country and world, other countries that want freedom, I'll do that," said the soldier's father, Gary Qualls, a friend of the local business owner who started the pro-Bush camp. He said his 16-year-old son now wants to enlist, and he supports that decision.

Qualls' frustration with the anti-war demonstrators erupted last week when he removed a cross bearing his son's name that was among hundreds the group had put up along the road to Bush's ranch.

Qualls called the protesters' views disrespectful to soldiers, and said he had to yank out two more crosses after protesters kept replacing them.

Cindy Sheehan, whose 24-year-old son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, died last year in Iraq, started the anti-war demonstration along the roadside on August 6. "Camp Casey" has since grown to about 100 core participants, and hundreds more from across the nation have visited.

Sheehan vowed to remain there until Bush agreed to meet with her or until his five-week-long vacation ended, but she flew to Los Angeles last week after her 74-year-old mother had a stroke. Her mother has some paralysis but is in good spirits, and if she improves, Sheehan might return to Texas in a few days, some demonstrators said. (Full story)

In her absence the rest of the group will keep camping out for the unlikely chance to question the president about the war that has claimed the lives of about 1,850 U.S. soldiers.

Bush has said he sympathizes with Sheehan but won't change his schedule to meet with her. She and other families met with Bush about two months after Casey Sheehan died, before she became a vocal opponent of the war.

Large counter-protests were held in a ditch near Sheehan's site a week after she arrived. Since then, a few Bush supporters have stood in the sun holding signs for several hours each day.

Bill Johnson, a local gift shop owner who created "Fort Qualls," said he wanted to offer a larger, more convenient place for Bush supporters to gather.

He and others at "Fort Qualls" have asked for a debate with those at the Crawford Peace House, which is helping Sheehan.

It's unclear if that will happen. But a member of Gold Star Families for Peace, co-founded by Sheehan and made up of relatives of fallen soldiers, said her group would not participate.

"We're asking for a meeting with the president, period," said Michelle DeFord, whose 37-year-old son, Sgt. David W. Johnson, was in the Army National Guard from Oregon when he was killed in Iraq last fall. "We don't want to debate with people who don't understand our point of view."
 
By the way,

I have no problem with shooting a shotgun in the air to piss off the neighbors. Someone here said "a firearm is only for self defense".

Except for illegal actions, my firearm is for whatever I please. Up to and including shooting it in the air to piss of some liberals protesting on the road. However, I would have been a bit more direct. Perhaps doing some target proctice right across the road.
But that is just me.
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and I may return fire as I may be on the other side of the road..but thats just me since I am using my firearm in self defense as I stated in a previous post. Some liberals who practice thier second amendment rights as well as the ones under the first :D
 
We're asking for a meeting with the president, period," said Michelle DeFord, whose 37-year-old son, Sgt. David W. Johnson, was in the Army National Guard from Oregon when he was killed in Iraq last fall. "We don't want to debate with people who don't understand our point of view."
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Oh God forbid. If thats the case, then they DEFINATELY don't want to debate with Bush.

It should read "We are too narrow minded and ignorant to debate with people who don't feel exactly like we do."
 
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