protest near Bush farm....

This is not a debate about the war. I am not even sure she is there because of her son, after the Palestine remarks.

She, and her supporters are diusrupting this guy's way of life. THEY WERE CAMPING ON THE ROAD AND DITCH. There was nowhere for them to be but on the road. The guy had put up with it for over a week. If that one gunshot is bothering them, they can move. He is protesting them being there, choking up the road. They are doing something he doesn't like, he is doing something they don't like. No one got hurt, he was perfectly legal and within his rights to do so.

I think the Constituiton refers to free speech and written speech not protesting with a loaded weapon....
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Yet we can protect running around town naked under 'free speech', shouting vulgarities under 'free speech', rioting as 'free speech', etc. But when it is something we don't like, too bad for them, huh? No 'free speech' for a way you disagree with?

And ther eis already another thread on your opinion of the war going on. Leave this one for comments on the situtation, not war opinions.
 
jefnvk said:
This is not a debate about the war. I am not even sure she is there because of her son, after the Palestine remarks.
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Now she's going to get involved with other world politics... yeah she's definitely having her strings pulled by the puppet master.
 
It pains this Vietnam combat veteran to see Ms. Sheehan grieving over the tragic loss of her son in the Iraq war. May God give her strength and a little something she doesn't have, grace. Unfortunately, she has become a fool on a fool's errand; a useful idiot for the hate America left wing DemoDufus Drum Corps. As much a useful idiot as the kids the mullahs get to dress up in bomb belts and convince to vaporize themselves and others in the name of Allah and the fifth century theocracy they wish to force down our throats.

Go home,Cindy. You're needed there.
 
There are some that felt going to Europe in WWI and WWII was not justified.
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jefnvk brings up a point that I think needs more attention.

If you look at the Battle of Normandy in WWII, American forces lost over 50,000 men killed in action. The vast number of whom were draftees. Each man had a mother, how many of these mothers would have protested that war? Why should American boys, without a choice, have to die to liberate the French, or fight Germany, Germany didn't attack us, Japan did.

They could have made an argument just as compelling as Mrs. Sheehan, if not more so, that not one American soldier should have died to save the French or anyone else. And you could go back to almost all our conflicts, WWI, the civil war, the revolutionary war even, and make the same argument.

The fact is, there were mothers would would have done so in all those conflicts, except for one thing: the media wouldn't stoop to the level to use a mother's grief as an anti-American propaganda tool. There very well might have been mothers camping out by FDR's vacation spot, we'll never know, because the press wouldn't cover such a thing back then.

Mrs. Sheehan is entitled to her grief and her opinions. She is not entitled to coverage by the MSM, but they're making a big deal over it, because there's nothing they won't stoop to to damage Bush. Lies, distortions, forging documents, exploiting a mother's grief, they are showing their true colors, and it's not pretty. Far from being the honest "watchdogs", they are in bed with the liberal/left, mouthpieces for the Michael Moore wing of the democratic party.
 
For Ms. Sheehan to use her son's death to further her own political agenda when, as a previous poster stated, he probably supported the mission he volunteered for is disgusting.

It is the same as if one of the ardent supporters of the RKBA on this site were killed by some scumbag and their surviving loved one used the occasion to lobby for a total civilian gun ban. Both are a dishonor to the memory of the one killed.
 
If you agree that this war is to protect our and iraqi freedoms, then of course the soldier would agree with what his mother is doing EDIT in principle. He died to protect her fredom to protest.

Personally I do not agree with the war in Iraq. I support our troops, but not the war. I'm going to leave it at that and hope you guys don't label me a troll or something along those lines
 
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Agreeing with her right to do something is not the same as agreeing with her position. I still think she is figuratively spitting in his face.
 
63Belair said:
If you agree that this war is to protect our and iraqi freedoms, then of course the soldier would agree with what his mother is doing. He died to protect her fredom to protest.
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63Belair - I think we've established that she has the right to do what she's doing.

The logic in your quote above, is misleeding. You assert he protected that right, therefore he would agree with what she's doing. You seem to be hung up, again, on the right to protest.

It's the subject of the of the protest, and the political posturing of the band waggon that has become the issue. Not the right to do so.
 
As far as being "hung up" on freedom of speach, guilty as charged! I think that 1st amendment rights are very important and need to be preserved, especially in times of war or national crisis.

man i have edited this so many times over the past 4 min

While I do agree with some of her opinions on the war, I do not really agree with her tactics of voicing those opinions, but who am I to tell her or anyone else what to do
 
If you agree that this war is to protect our and iraqi freedoms, then of course the soldier would agree with what his mother is doing. He died to protect her fredom to protest.
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I support gay rights, that doesn't mean I like or accept being gay as being right. Same for drugs. I support your right to ingest whatever, doesn't mean I would.
 
"Maybe the mothers tears are because her son had to die for the Bozo show going on at the Pentagon "

You make it sound like he was drafted... "had to die"

He enlisted and she did not want him to.

Look out, your agenda is showing. ;)

John
 
Look out, your agenda is showing.

John
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Yes it is

Rumsfeld gotta go.

I voted for Bush for all his terms as Texas Govenor and for his first term as President. I however cannot abide his current handling of the war so he didnt get my vote a second time.

Our soldiers had to buy thier own body armor. We still have unarmored vehicles in Iraq..i could give you a laundry list. Mr Rumsfeld chose to igore the advice of Colin Powell and Sec. White and General Shinseki. Tell soldiers that you go to war with what you have. Gen Schwarzkopf accused Rumsfeld of passing the buck on that one. As Sec of War Mr. Rumsfeld could have used his poers to give body and vehicle a higher priority, he has failed to do so. You have Kissinger a pro war supporter tell you that you have some problems in your war with Iraq.

a reminder of the great war plan:

MR. RUSSERT: If your analysis is not correct . . . do you think the American people are prepared for a long, costly, and bloody battle with significant American casualties?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I don't think it's likely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators. . . . The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but what they want to the get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that.

Meet The Press, March 16, 2003.

Gen. John P. Abizaid, said that more foreign fighters were coming into Iraq and that the insurgency's "overall strength is about the same" as it was six months ago. "There's a lot of work to be done against the insurgency," he added.

Mr. Cheney, in an interview with CNN after General Abizaid spoke, repeated his assertion that the insurgency was facing defeat." ("U.S. General Sees No Ebb in Fight", David S. Cloud and Eric Schmitt, New York Times, June 24, 2005)

so whats the deal? does the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

We are nearing our third year in Iraq and all we have to show for it is more killing and deaths and sqyabbling over the constitution.

I fully support the war in Afghanistan and do not support withdrawal from Iraq. My agenda as you call it is for some adult leadership in Washington DC.

From the horses mouth.......lol

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to audio)

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video clip or listen to audio)

Amen Pres. Bush

As for my support of the troops...... The troops have borne the brunt of bad decisons by the administration. They have done a lot of good works in Iraq that the press never reports. 100% of all the good that comes out of this is due to the troops hard work in Iraq.

some of you have support of the administration confused with support of the war and the Troops. I support the war and the Troops I dont abide idiots in wartime especially when they are responsible for the lives of our Troops.

that is my agenda.
 
Good News!

a true gentleman and Texan has agreed to let the protesters use his land.....

so the neighbor can clean his shotgun now :D
 
It was unfortunate and disgusting that one misguided individual decided to drive his truck along the shoulder of the road outside Crawford and plow down the commemorative crosses that had been set up in honor of the Iraq War dead. Kind of ironic in a way that the ACLU is backing Cindy Sheehan when they are adamantly opposed to crosses on public property.
 
I joined the army in Feb of '90...4 months BEFORE Hussein invaded Kuwait. But I Didn't ship out until AUGUST of the same year. Right about the time the former dictator was talking smack about "Mother of all battles" and "sending american boys home in body bags". My mother BEGGED me not to go, was weeping at the front door when I left. MY Dad, who understood what I had to do, said nothing. Just gave me a hug and let me go...How could I not serve my country? I HAD TO DO IT, like my father and grandfathers before me. Each has seen hardship and suffering in their own times. Had I been killed, it may have destroyed my mom, BUT IT WAS MY CHOICE AND DESIRE TO SERVE. Not hers.
Unfortunatlely, I have lived to see the death of my first newborn son, late in 2002. Admittedly, that is different than loosing an adult son, but the pain, for me was the most intense of my life. I really feel for this woman, loosing her son because, to a degree, I understand it. HOWEVER, His views about miltary service were obviously different than hers. She should think about this: If the protests on the left succeed, and we pull out of Iraq and the region decends in radical islamist chaos, then, indeed her son WILL have died in vain. But if we stick it out and see that these poeple live in a better place and become an example of democracy in the middle east for others to follow, then her son will have died for something noble. Wouldn't you rather say your son died for something noble than for nothing? I would.
 
A wise person has spoke about the protest........

"If they don't want to support it, they don't have to support it," said Iraq war veteran Kevin Pannell, who had both legs amputated after a grenade attack last year in Baghdad. "That's the reason I lost my legs."

nuff said.......
 
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