Sorry Gomez, my point about first hand accounts is that I know the source of information and make my decisions based on real accounts of people I know were invovled in or witnessed shootings not read about in SWAT magazine. I'm not into arguing semantics, just firearms. So to you it's second hand..
It was also mentioned: "would a marginal hit with a 12g have had different results? Probably not. "
Wanna bet? a blast of 00 buck at 5 feet in the upper leg...are you kidding? the .223 went in and out without hitting bone or vein...I bet one of the nine buckshot would have a much better chance finding a target. It is possible the leg would have been removed. I've seen that happen with 7.62mm on a lower leg hit.
"It is quite easy to miss, if you believe that you just need to point the shotgun in his general direction..."
I am not an instructor, but I do quite well with my Benelli, 000 buck and slugs thanks.
If you can get through "Vom Krieg" then you can certainly re-read my previous thread without bias this time. I agree on your points that the AR handles better, I even came to that conclusion on my own. I like the carbine, there just isn't one I like to rely on for close defense...maybe the Hk SL7 in .308. I like my FAL carbine too.
and "a shotgun loaded with shot, is basically a .72 caliber rifle"
You got that right, sir! And an AR15 is basically a .22 if I am to apply that logic. I'll take the .72cal any day.
Now, outside running between cover and firing beyond 50 feet, I'll take an AR15, better yet an M4. I just feel it is better in most situations just not from the bed to the door...good not best.
Anyone else think I'm off the mark here?