President Bush (Part 2)

Welcome Beaver 396.

If you think rates have dropped because to US drivers paying bills, just wait until NAFTA's trucking rules kicks in. Seems provisions of NAFTA requires full access to the US by Mexican drivers. A few articles have recently appeared focusing on the pollution impact. Sooner or later we'll be treated to articles on safety and training issues. If Mexican truckers do to transportation in this country what Mexican laborers have done to, oh say the construction industry, we can all look forward to significant cost shifting which will not benefit you guys. Watch your six because there is a problem back there. :cool:
 
seems as the only companies making profit are the oil companies,
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Hi Beav! Sounds like you're just another unsatisfied customer. Yep, they are making some obscene money!...and why wouldn't they. Merger mania reduces competition and of course there was the Republican's "Givearama" in the form of "tax incentives" for the oil co's
That's Corporatian for "get outta here ..your money's no good here!"
"You guys run along and find us some oil" See ya on the links!
These so called leaders are so wicked their behavior could bring back Communism!:eek:

Rimrock
 
Haven't we learned that bombing a perceived enemy into submission doesn't work. How would any of us here react to similar aggression?
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See Japan circa 1944-45 and Germany circa 43-45 for one version of results. Hanoi et al circa 65-73 for other... and now Iraq, 03-present, with most of the bombs being theirs and are inflicted (mostly) on their neighbors whom they seem to dislike as much as their, ahem, liberators.

As for stating an answer to the question, "when will this war terminate?" even our beloved President has said it will take years. I personally think it will never end, due to the conflicts in our culture, religion, education and values. We need some manner of stabilization in that region, either the carrot or the stick, or, I suppose we could abandon Israel, leave the mid-east to Russia, China and France, we could force all of our citizenry to become good little Muslims, including our government, keep our women at home or covered up in public... and maybe, just maybe this little phase of history would go away...
But I doubt it.

Whilst I am not among GWB's greatest fans, since I am not personally able to offer sage advice on How To Run This Nation, nor do I wish to, I can only think of where we'd be if in fact GWB did not have the Supreme Court ruling back in 2000 re: hanging chads in FLA. More than likely, we'd all be bashing President Gore, burying our guns or turning them in (or becoming outlaws) and we'd STILL have Islamic-Jihadists to deal with...

But we'll never know.

Mid-term elections coming up. Who are you supporting? General election in 2 years, players still unfolding. GWB's time in history is coming to a close. Dwelling on his past, while fun (with much gnashing of teeth) is fruitless in-that it'll change nothing done in DC.
 
Bush is Better Than Gore/Kerry

Bush has done an excellent job when I consider who he beat. And considering the situation our Nation faces at present. I think President Bush is doing very well.
 
I'll give him a B- overall.
A on fighting terrorism
C- on Patriot Act
C+ on economy

He doesn't always make the decisions I would like to see, but he also doesn't change his mind when the liberal wind blows either. Right or wrong he makes a decision and takes responsibility for the decision. Others (RimRock) will disagree, but I would expect nothing less.:D
 
If you think rates have dropped because to US drivers paying bills, just wait until NAFTA's trucking rules kicks in. Seems provisions of NAFTA requires full access to the US by Mexican drivers.
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Is this part of the original 1994 agreement, or has it been modified during the Bush administration?
 
Ah....... rimrock, I don't think things are really that bad, at least not in reality.

The corporation I work for enjoys it's tax incentives too. And we all get to enjoy more profit sharing, better wages and 401k matching!!!!!!

Thank you GWB!

I also enjoy the added benifits no more AWB! Thanks again GWB!
 
Orig post by Baba Louie Mid-term elections coming up. Who are you supporting? General election in 2 years, players still unfolding. GWB's time in history is coming to a close. Dwelling on his past, while fun (with much gnashing of teeth) is fruitless in-that it'll change nothing done in DC.
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Unfortunatley there remains 3 yrs on his watch. Based on the damage occurring over the first five I'm not "jazzed" about the prospects.

Wars with "countries" over geographical control and domination (econ) are one thing. Killing radical fundamentalism, religion, ideas, culture and a zillion years of philosophy are entirely another matter. We didn't kill the philosophy of Communism with bombs though for a time in specific places we unsuccessfully tried.
I don't see Middle Easterners replacing there religious headwear for ball caps anytime soon. The more we push the tougher it will gets.

What will be the effects on our society, on our culture, as a result of this TRILLION DOLLAR bloody ungodly boondoggle?
We continue today to feel the effects of Viet Nam both on an individual and collective basis. Our culture suffered then as it truly will again. War's can do that to a people.:(
I was raised to believe that God made us smarter than other animals. Unfortunately we still have the capacity to be the dumbest spieces on the planet.:(

Rimrock
 
What will be the effects on our society, on our culture, as a result of this TRILLION DOLLAR bloody ungodly boondoggle?
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I'm sorry. I just have to comment. Why are we getting huffy over a $1 trillion war? All the argumentation aside, the cost of this war is peanuts. Are we concerned because it is all borrowed money? Are we concerned because it wastes wealth? Are we concerned because we can better spend the money on welfare for illegal immigrants?

A trillion dollars on a war is peanuts compared to our national funded liability (debt for which USG borrows money) of something like $15 trillion. Then stack war costs against USG's unfunded liability (debt for which USG promises to pay out of future tax receipts) of something like $50 trillion.

I sympathize with those looking for reasons to oppose Iraq, but arguing against the war on the basis of cost is a weak argument.
 
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2001 thru 2006 we have spent approx. 400 billion on the war.

In 2005 alone we have blown 1.3 Trillion on social spending. We waste far more money on failed democratic/liberal social programs than we spend on the war+military in one year.

Bush does need to cut way back on this out of control social spending.
 
Are we concerned because it wastes wealth? Are we concerned because we can better spend the money on welfare for illegal immigrants?
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I think it went like this: trillion dollar
bloody
ungodly
boondoggle

No but we could start to fund the debt so we no longer have to sell off America. That's whats happening. What if every country we owe called it's debt in tomorrow. :eek:

I sympathize with those looking for reasons to oppose Iraq, but arguing against the war on the basis of cost is a weak argument
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Please ,no sympathy necessary. The numbers our clearly with those in opposition. Watch those red white and blue Reps go south on "W" real life video game as we get closer to "E" Day!
Does anyone here really believe there's any integrity left in this system.
Pass it here if you do!
In 2005 alone we have blown 1.3 Trillion on social spending. We waste far more money on failed democratic/liberal social programs than we spend on the war+military in one year.

Bush does need to cut way back on this out of control social spending.
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Carb, The Dems haven't had the check book in many years. It's your boys with the check book and then the credit card and now the IOU vouchers.
It's been moonlight madness since.
And carb, congrats on the great benes and "K" but how long will that last if we continue to spend at the current rate without raising any revenue? I'm afraid your "K" is doomed my friend! This economy isn't done with mirrors.

Rimrock
 
I agree the repubs have a severe spending problem, but LBJ and 40 years dem social programs have led to a heavy tax payer burden.

Now, let me ask you with no party in mind.

WHY do these politicians think they have such an unstopable right to the working stiff's money?????????? :mad:
 
Now, let me ask you with no party in mind.

WHY do these politicians think they have such an unstopable right to the working stiff's money??????????
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Carb, I guess because we let them.
Wash DC has little to do with the realities of your community and mine.
The rascals have had it their way much too long. They're blatantly arrogant about it. Again, regardless of party they have one thing in common....their total disregard for us!:mad:

Rimrock
 
Now, let me ask you with no party in mind.

WHY do these politicians think they have such an unstopable right to the working stiff's money??????????
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Because we keep voting them in. Every election year the majority of incumbents are voted back into office, many times over 80 or 90 percent. There are many reasons incumbents do win reelction so often, which isn't relevent to this topic. This is the reason why I would like to see a huge "Vote out the incumbents" campaign, and vote out 80 to 90 percent of imcumbents. This will send a clear message to the new faces, and if it doesn't, just vote them out next time to. What we have now is a class of professional politicians, something the founding fathers never wanted us to have.
 
Because we keep voting them in. Every election year the majority of incumbents are voted back into office, many times over 80 or 90 percent. There are many reasons incumbents do win reelction so often, which isn't relevent to this topic. This is the reason why I would like to see a huge "Vote out the incumbents" campaign, and vote out 80 to 90 percent of imcumbents. This will send a clear message to the new faces, and if it doesn't, just vote them out next time to. What we have now is a class of professional politicians, something the founding fathers never wanted us to have.
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fal4Me, You're right! Unfortunately gov't in this country is at an all time low in terms of accomplishing an objective and integrity. In some ways I don't think we'd get any better gov't if the "elected official" knew he only had a specific time to "accumulate wealth" in DC. I'd like to think people go to DC uncorrupted and over time something happens. I can tell you from personal experience that winning elections repeatedly is one helluva rush. If you're heads not firmly rivited to you shoulders you can easily become detached arrogant and corrupted. DC is like the twilight zone full of these types

Rimrock
 
Ask 20 investors how they did under Clinton vs President "Mission Accomplished."
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*sigh*
My son is 33 and a big time Clinton supporter/Bush basher.
It's uncanny how much alike the two of you sound.
(seriously, is there some "handbook" or something you guys read from?or is it just regurgitated pablum fed to you by the likes of Jeane Garofalo?).


I'll tell you exactly what I told my kid.

You're being fed a ton of BS on the end of a spoon. When the backlash hits, it's going to destroy the Democratic party (not a bad thing). Unfortunatly, it's going to destroy quite a bit of other things - this country being one of them.
 
I think it's difficult for an American citizen of average intelligence to form an opinion on our current President, since the only information they have is what little they hear in the American news. Any of you members travel abroad? I find the things that make news elsewhere but are never heard of here to be quite shocking.
 
Any of you members travel abroad? I find the things that make news elsewhere but are never heard of here to be quite shocking.
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And that is precisely why the internet makes spoon-fed news yesterday's news. I spend far more time looking at foreign papers than I do US outlets. I find the best souce of hidden stories to be Brit outlets such as Telegraph, BBC, and Timesonline. Curious.
 
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