President Bush (Part 2)

Thats a NewYork Times article, nothing to do with truth. The NYT makes a good living printing propaganda. Don't forget these are the same people who waited a whole year to do the wire tap hit piece on Bush.
Bush is a much better pres than what the NYT writes about him.

They write nice things about Fidel Castro as compared to Bush.
 
" In Baghdad, a senior officer said Wednesday in a background briefing that the 21 car bombings in Baghdad so far this month almost matched the total of 25 in all of last year."
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While missing my point, you made it for me. No attacks have happened in America since 9/11 because we took the fight to them. Also, those car bombing had less to do with Americans and more to do with infighting between the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.
 
I suppose the ranks of the associated press are full of leftist sympathizers also.........:cool:

"Vehicles packed with explosives, often detonated by suicide attackers, have become one of the insurgency's most lethal weapons. An Associated Press tally shows there have been at least 181 of them since Iraq's interim government took over June 28 - just a handful at first but surging to one or more a day in recent months.
Those bombs killed about 1,000 people, both Iraqis and Americans, and wounded twice as many. The tally found that 68 bombings were suicide attacks and the rest were detonated by other means. Most involved cars, but some used trucks and even motorcycles."

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/01/13/Worldandnation/Car_bombs__Iraq_toll_.shtml

Geez guys all you have to do is look at a newspaper, peruse the internet, look at TV and car bombings are occuring almost daily if not daily. We have not even touched IEDs yet. I will conced that we have hit Al Queda with some good body blows.....but the fat lady hasn't sang for em yet.
 
The people who established our democracy didn't believe in trading freedom for security (Patriot Act) or the forceful takeover and occupation of other nations that pose no danger to our shores, for economic reasons (Iraq).

I think the framers of our Constitution would not approve of our current president. I agree with them.

PS: this news media bashing is VEERING OFF THREAD !
 
Eghad I agree BUT,

Just go to a newspaper, tv , radio and see what they say about guns and the gun industry. Do you get my point?

Ask yourself, when was the last the A.P. NYT wrote a positive article about: Guns, Bush or the War?
 
well gun guy I hate to mention this but our goal is to provide democracy and stabilization to Iraq... I have yet to hear from this administration a timetable for troop reduction. I do remember the current administration saying in the past that we would be reducing troop strength around Feb of 2006...

oh wait its March of 2006 and almost the third anniversary of "mission accomplished", and the Iraqis will throw roses at the Americans. :cool:

Dont get me wrong here, I think American troops have done a lot of positive things in Iraq despite the bumbling and fumbling in this administration. This stuff needs coverage also. I am just afraid this administration is going to fart away all the good works our soldiers have done.

I do not agree with withdrawing form Iraq either.. I just think that the current administration needs revamping of plans.... in other words I think that Rumsfeld and his crew needs to lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way for somebody that is serious about winning this war.
 
carbiner,

I work with a Captain and NCOs who are veterans of Iraq, I also served in the "War on Terrorism". I can introduce you to 30 Iraq veterans who just had their Combat Action Badges pinned on. They traveled thousands of miles in Iraq as drivers and on Gun trucks as gunners performing escort duty. I didnt just fall off the turnip wagon yesterday.

This war can still be lost.........or won
 
You bet our troops are doing a good job, they have those idiotic terror factions scrambling like clowns. Yes it's damn hard, it's a WAR!

I see today Iran's not so tough all of a sudden, America has got to look at the overall picture. No one will ever cnvince me sodom hussain had nothing to do with funding terror in the USA, hell he's hated our guts for decades.
 
posted by marks655 The people who established our democracy didn't believe in trading freedom for security (Patriot Act) or the forceful takeover and occupation of other nations that pose no danger to our shores, for economic reasons (Iraq).

I think the framers of our Constitution would not approve of our current president. I agree with them.
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You a absolutely correct sir!
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Ask yourself, when was the last the A.P. NYT wrote a positive article about: Guns, Bush or the War?
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Because most people in this country don't like WAR don't like Bush and only associate guns with crime
Guns still have a "shot" at restoration through education, the other two are screwed.
I wish someone here would define winning as it applys to this so called Iraq war.
The old adage of "if you got 'em by the cagingas, their hearts and minds will soon follow":eek: won't wash when applied to culture and religion.
Haven't we learned that bombing a perceived enemy into submission doesn't work. How would any of us here react to similar aggression?
Even those despots the Taliban are beginning to make a comeback.:barf:
Nation building's a slippery slope!
Meanwhile American's right here in America are hurting.


Rimrock
 
Eghad,
I do not agree with withdrawing form Iraq either.. I just think that the current administration needs revamping of plans.... in other words I think that Rumsfeld and his crew needs to lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way for somebody that is serious about winning this war.
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I have yet to hear from this administration a timetable for troop reduction.
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Eghad,

You repeatedly espouse that you should know the plan and the timetable. You make statements that there is no plan for withdrawal or winning this war.

Does your right to know outweigh the safety of our troops or the success/failure of the mission?

The truth is you don't and will not know these things nor should you know them.

If you know so does OUR enemies.

Rest assured there is a "living breathing" plan. You may not like how things are going, this does not indicate lack of a plan. Only that you don't understand or know anything about it.

GWB has said since day 1 "We are taking the fight to the enemy". How has this plan failed?

Your point about violence in Iraq is proof positive that enemies of democracy and the US are in Iraq. IMO we are better off fighting our enemies in Iraq with Military personnel than in The Mall of America with visiting Sunday school classes.

Why have there been no attacks in the US since 9-11-01?
 
So how long should we stay? 5 years, 10 years...This war is ultimately one the Iraqi people must win not us. We have to remove the training wheels someday and let them decide how they want to go.

My definiton of winning the war is that the enemy neither has the resources nor the will to wage war anymore. Looks like the enemy is still waging a war to me.

maybe the plans are kept from Rumsfeld and Bush also
 
Your point about violence in Iraq is proof positive that enemies of democracy and the US are in Iraq. IMO we are better off fighting our enemies in Iraq with Military personnel than in The Mall of America with visiting Sunday school classes.
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food for thought........
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8307333/


tell that to the folks in Madrid, UK, Csablanca and Riyahd.

1993- First attack on the World Trade Center
2001- Second Attack on the World Trade Center
????- Third attack on ??????????????????

patient little buggers arent they?

How do you fight an idea with Planes, Tanks and Soldiers?
 
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How do you fight an idea with Planes, Tanks and Soldiers?
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I am sure neither Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, nor Niccolo Machaivelli would find this a difficult question to answer.
 
So how long should we stay? 5 years, 10 years...This war is ultimately one the Iraqi people must win not us. We have to remove the training wheels someday and let them decide how they want to go.
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If we could reduce the time it took to accomplish stability in Japan by 5% it would be an achievement.

My definiton of winning the war is that the enemy neither has the resources nor the will to wage war anymore. Looks like the enemy is still waging a war to me.
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Exactly, so why should we pull out or put a date on pulling out? The war is not over.

tell that to the folks in Madrid, UK, Csablanca and Riyahd.
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I'll tell those folks complacence toward terrorism and placation of terrorists will guarantee more of the same.

1973- First attack on the World Trade Center
2001- Second Attack on the World Trade Center
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I think the first attack was 1993. Patient, not that patient. :)
 
I am sure neither Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, nor Niccolo Machaivelli would find this a difficult question to answer.
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dead,dead and dead... I dont think we will get many answers from them. I wont hold my breath while waiting.
 
Waziristan & Taliban
hrmmmmmm.....

didnt we defeat those guys in Afghanistan?

not hearing the fat lady yet......

"I'll tell those folks complacence toward terrorism and placation of terrorists will guarantee more of the same."
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umm I dont think the UK and Saudi quite fit the definiton of complacent. UK are those not the guys fighting with us in Iraq?

My point is that in the "War on Terrorism" Iraq in neither the beggining nor the end of it.
 
orig post by Eghad How do you fight an idea with Planes, Tanks and Soldiers
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You simply don't!

orig post by pipoman Does your right to know outweigh the safety of our troops or the success/failure of the mission?

The truth is you don't and will not know these things nor should you know them.

If you know so does OUR enemies.
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Hi pipoman,This has been stated here more than once. I won't try to speak for Eghad.... he's capable of that himself. I don't need to know our plan nor do I want to know. I JUST WANT THE GUY BEHIND THE WHEEL TO KNOW! It's more than apparent he doesn't have a clue! I believe that before this war he couldn't have found the place on a map.
That's what troubles a growing majority of Americans. It's the "deer in the headlights look" followed by lots of Ahhhhhhhh's
I'm glad people have questioned this administration...about time!
For a while Americans feared "them"...now more are starting to fear "US"
The Republican Congress is already heading for the door! Can you blame 'em?
They've suddenly become "Reagan Republicans"
That's the ultimate vote of "no confidence" for "W" the "wonder donut!"

Rimrock
 
i am in the transportation business, not sure about you guys but i am already feeling the beginning effects of reagenomics around here. our economy was booming, but its tapering off alot around here now.

transportation boom hit with bush's cuts and brought about alot of new owners into the business. now that the market is flooded transport trucks the price per mile has dropped way down because these guys have to pay for their new trucks and will accept low offers, 60% of these new owners are going out of business becuase of the low ppm, fuel prices, tires, and parts. seems as the only companies making profit are the oil companies,

i know everyone says that the market price of oil has went up, but that is not the reason for record profits is it? the oil companies always made alot of money, but never this much. they have increased price because they can. if they were to lower the price of gas they would still make a profit but not a record profit.

the effects of reagenomics has hit and it will be years before we can dig out of the whole we are getting ready to drop in.
 
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