President Bush (Part 2)

samoand,
As to your economic content I almost, to the word agree. I personally come from a long line of old school capitalists who came to this country to realize the dream. We have in a huge way. My concern is for this country. It would seem that in a pure form "global economy" without any interference, the ones entering with the highest standard of living lose first and most. It's painful to watch what currently is happening as a result of senseless spending and rising deficits. Where the answer to philosophical differences is too often the military solution.
Even this board has moderators who prevent us from blowing each other up and in the process, ourselves. The days of the ball bouncing freely are most likely over to the degree you've so adequently stated.
BTW, I remember as a boy picking apricots in the summers just off Steven's Crk Rd and thinking how close to utopia that geographical area was.
Innovation and the capitalist spirit sure changed it and our lives forever.

Rimrock
 
I am amazed at the political ignorance and blind partisanship shown in so many entries on this thread. Anyone who would rate Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton as a better president than our current President is probably beyond hope for rational discussion. I am a conservative who is not totally satisfied with President Bush, especially on the issue of illegal immigration. But in his stand on fighting terrorism, the war in Iraq, his zeal in cutting income taxes, and his appointments to the Supreme Court, he is a true leader and patriot.
 
I am amazed at the political ignorance and blind partisanship shown in so many entries on this thread. Anyone who would rate Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton as a better president than our current President is probably beyond hope for rational discussion.
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I believe your post confirms it!
According to the lastest poll, PEW, 33% of the the population may agree with you!
CNN: The price to date of "W"'s deficit is now $30,000 per every man woman and child.:eek: That figure is out of date as of tomorrow.
We do have a way of paying for our thrills...or is that getting banged with our bucks!
But in his stand on fighting terrorism, the war in Iraq, his zeal in cutting income taxes, and his appointments to the Supreme Court, he is a true leader and patriot.
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The beauty of this country is one man's patriot can be another man's moron!
I wonder how Alito feels coming in second to the likes of Harriet Myers?:eek: :barf:

Rimrock
 
last I heard UAE is selling their contract to an American Company, if they find one. Irony....the only American company capable of handling the job is Haliburton.
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Internet legend. CSX and one other company whose name I can't recall are actually in that business. If Halliburton somehow got involved, I don't believe they would bring any stateside experience to it, although you may be correct about them being "capable of handling the job". In any case, Halliburton will likely be left out because of potential controversy, association with Dick Cheney, whether fair or not. The controversy will come from the taxpayer having to bale out the deal, subsidizing a fire sale to someone who is only interested if they can steal the contract. CSX has withdrawn before, I believe. This is based upon DPW stating that they would not lose money on the "transfer to a US entity".
 
Realgun and Rich:

All that may be true but it has nothing to do with the original post/question.

George W's legacy isn't fully known yet, but to date it seems:

1. He provided leadership and action following 9/11, and during his 1st term.

2. His 2nd term has been quite different. He seems so entangled in his 'war on terror' that everything else has been set aside or been given a passing glance. And his favortism and paybacks are getting old.

As compared to recent presidents: Clinton was a liar and a slime-ball but he was smart enough to leave the economy alone and let it prosper - and prosper it did. George senior was a fine president but didn't really seem to want a 2nd term, leaving the door open for Clinton. Carter was a joke. Ford didn't have a chance to do much of anything.

As it stands right now, I think George W. will go down in history as one of less accomplished and less able presidents, during a time in history when we really needed a good president.

- and just let me say that I'm impressed with how long this thread has lasted considering the topic...
 
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My grade for Bush: C-

The main reason I voted for Bush was because of the openings in the Supreme Court that were anticipated. I absolutely did not want Kerry or Gore trying to put liberals into those positions. So far I like the two who have been appointed under Bush.

My biggest disappointment with him (and Congress) is the lack of fiscal responsibility. Our government is getting huge, its debt is out of control, and Bush never used his veto power to curb it when he should have. I do like the tax cuts he pushed and his attempt to reform social security, but its not enough to make up for the failings off the government in general.
 
scope, that's a great point! Our supreme court was in need of good judges. The last thing we needed was more liberalism infecting our supreme court. That is a big plus for Bush!
 
HEY I KNOW, let's all keep Bush bashing and whining about Iraq , so are enemies can have something to feel good about. Some of you folks may want to think about what you say and how it effects things.
Some of us have LOVED ONES in harms way, and I would hope our enemy would feel like they are losing and not winning the hearts of America, based on how we feel about a President.
 
All that may be true but it has nothing to do with the original post/question.
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Why? Because it defends rather than bashes the President? It is perfectly relevant when balancing other comments that must have been equally off your mark.
 
Political hearing acuity--D
Management skills--C-
Leadership skill--C+
Communication skill--D
Constitutional understanding-Solid F
Ability to achieve concensus--F+
Ability to knock heads (c.f. management skills)--B
Understanding of economics--D and falling
Understanding of political philosophy--C
Theology--D+ and falling
Ability to foresee impending trouble--F- and falling fast

Bush is a manager who was thrust into a leadership role. He is not an idea kinda guy. I think he sees his job is to manage good people and hold them accountable. He seems to be uncomfortable in dealing with ideas and concepts. He will glom on to an idea with only the most cursory evaluation (c.f. faith based initiative and democracy in the middle east). Whereas Clinton was an idea kinda guy who fell badly at implementation, Bush seems to excel at implementation with considerable problems with ideas.

Bush will be judged by two issues: First, how Iraq works out. Second, how illegal immigration is dealt with. Both are wartime issues. His schitzophrenia (really bad spelling) over border controls and a foreign war on terror will be gist for books for decades. I think he will be the first president in modern times who will not be judged on the basis of the economy. In summary, I consider Bush to be his own contradiction.
 
Rimrock

The days of the ball bouncing freely are most likely over to the degree you've so adequently stated. BTW, I remember as a boy picking apricots in the summers just off Steven's Crk Rd and thinking how close to utopia that geographical area was.
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Stevens Creek in Santa Clara?? Wow. Things sure did change a bit... :)
 
Why? Because it defends rather than bashes the President? It is perfectly relevant when balancing other comments that must have been equally off your mark.
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I was referencing the detailed discussion of management of US ports. I don't see how that has much to do with how good a prez GW is, or is not. That was my point.
 
As far as Bush bashing goes it reminds me of when Reagan was pres. The media and their faithful followers said, He'll take us right into nuclear war, he's trying to kill the poor, he cut taxes cause he's a racist, look at the debt, WERE DOOMED!

20 years later, not doomed yet! Bush does get an F for spending though.
 
Iraq..from someone that actually lives there....

BTW, I just came across an interesting book on Iraq, at Walmart of all places. It is Saddam's Secrets: How An Iraqi General Defied and Survived Saddam Hussein by General Georges Sada (Iraq Air Force). Forward by Col. David Eberly, USAF(ret), author of Faith Beyond Belief.
 
It is interesting to see how perspective changes things. The origional thread started of as no holds barred Bush-bashing and inteligent discourse ensued. However it was shut down due to the origional post being inflamitory.

I rephrased the question and added my own pro-Bush opinion. Then it turned into a no holds barred Bush-bash.

I am begining to think people are arguing for the sake of argument...

Anyway, to those that think they could do a better job than Bush: I doubt it. Managing a fast food place in high-school was hard enough, I don't even want to think about a country.

Many complain about the Patriot Act. How many terror attacks have happened in America since 9/11? I personaly have nothing to hide. I don't see it as sacrificing liberty for security. Plotting to kill civilians is not a liberty.

For those who complain about the Iraq war, again how many terror attacks? Al Qida is streched thin in Iraq. Attacks that are planned are uncovered due to lack of senior leadership and huriedly trained operatives.

Wire taps have been around almost as long as phones. I would bet that 90% of Presidents have done it. Of those the media probly found out about half of them. But since Bush-bashing is the flavor of the year, he is the only one to do it.

I will admit that things President Bush do irke me. For my tastes he is to moderate. Others he could be more moderate on and I wouldn't care. But when compared to gore or kerry, I am glad to call Bush my President.
 
For those who complain about the Iraq war, again how many terror attacks? Al Qida is streched thin in Iraq. Attacks that are planned are uncovered due to lack of senior leadership and huriedly trained operatives.
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" In Baghdad, a senior officer said Wednesday in a background briefing that the 21 car bombings in Baghdad so far this month almost matched the total of 25 in all of last year."

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/11220
 
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