PING: 10mm Fans...
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mikejonestkd
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If you had asked me this question yesterday I would have said a colt delta elite. its a heck of a nice 10mm.
However, today I ran 200 rounds though a brand new Dan Wesson Bruin...
its light years beyond a delta elite....
However, today I ran 200 rounds though a brand new Dan Wesson Bruin...
its light years beyond a delta elite....
Ok but it needs to be an early one without the rail and the cheesy rear sight. I'd kinda like to get the hunter version.
The G29 does make an interesting CCW option and I had thought of replacing my 1076 but the grip angle combined with the short trigger window gives my short slightly crooked trigger finger fits, prolly just as well the extra weight is a plus and I'd only gain one round.
First gen Witness, I've had one many years now... mine doesn't have the mount or the profiled slide that seems to have caused a bad rep. I put a stiffer spring in it and changed the grips from rubber to wood. The mags will hold 14 rounds but he last one is a bear to get in. The sights are good, trigger is good, I like the feel and accuracy is good. I carry it in a Kirkpatrick Challenger thumb break holster, it's a heavy rig to be sure but its my go-to except when I need to conceal under light clothing.
G29. Why? Because as far as I know it's the only auto pistol you can buy in 10mm that's a double stack and anywhere near as compact.
Trust me, I'm not a big Glock fan and the G29 is not the most comfy gun in the closet. But, IMO it's by far the best overall package for 10mm Auto and my opinion is that a single stack 10mm is just goofy.
The G29 IS my everyday carry, and while it feels like it was designed to be held by a large alien lizard beast thing, with a real trigger installed and regular practice, I see hits on target when I shoot it as fast as I can out of the holster.
I have and will continue to recommend it as a 'must try' carry gun for anyone who doesn't worry about access to 10mm ammo. I rate it #1. Full-size auto pistols, such as the P220 and others, are FOR ME utterly useless...and I mean useless in the strict sense I have no use for them. Me. I have no use for them. The G29 is useful, and solves every problem I have with carry autos...including size, capacity, horsepower, reliability, accuracy and general shootability.
My little hammer:
You can slather all the lipstick you want on this pig and it will never be anything but the most butt-ugly handgun ever made, short of the Nambu. And believe me, it takes a LOT for me to just overlook ugly. This is one little gun where I do that with a smile.
Trust me, I'm not a big Glock fan and the G29 is not the most comfy gun in the closet. But, IMO it's by far the best overall package for 10mm Auto and my opinion is that a single stack 10mm is just goofy.
The G29 IS my everyday carry, and while it feels like it was designed to be held by a large alien lizard beast thing, with a real trigger installed and regular practice, I see hits on target when I shoot it as fast as I can out of the holster.
I have and will continue to recommend it as a 'must try' carry gun for anyone who doesn't worry about access to 10mm ammo. I rate it #1. Full-size auto pistols, such as the P220 and others, are FOR ME utterly useless...and I mean useless in the strict sense I have no use for them. Me. I have no use for them. The G29 is useful, and solves every problem I have with carry autos...including size, capacity, horsepower, reliability, accuracy and general shootability.
My little hammer:
You can slather all the lipstick you want on this pig and it will never be anything but the most butt-ugly handgun ever made, short of the Nambu. And believe me, it takes a LOT for me to just overlook ugly. This is one little gun where I do that with a smile.
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Flight Medic
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Bongo_Boy said:
I cant argue its form factor, but a 10mm in a compact package just seems like it would be be too snappy for my tastes. If I opt for a Glock I will probably get the 40 MOS because;
1) A 10mm will never be my EDC.
2) I dont need a "use" for a gun to buy it. I just like owning and shooting them...so go big or go home!!
However, since I can get 2 Glocks per year at LE pricing, maybe I will get the G29 as well. .
bamaranger
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G40/G20
I'm thinking the G40 may be the way with a 10mm.
What kind of velocities are you guys that shoot the G29 getting with 180gr and up slugs? I'm thinking the 10mm needs the longer tube to achieve the velocities one really wants with heavy slugs from the caliber. And for me, that's 10mm role, a heavy duty woods/fieldd/hunting gun. Concealment is not the issue for the way I use it.
Glock says that for the 1.5" gained in barrel length, you only gain an ounce in weight. With the right holster, it should still be portable.
I'm thinking the G40 may be the way with a 10mm.
What kind of velocities are you guys that shoot the G29 getting with 180gr and up slugs? I'm thinking the 10mm needs the longer tube to achieve the velocities one really wants with heavy slugs from the caliber. And for me, that's 10mm role, a heavy duty woods/fieldd/hunting gun. Concealment is not the issue for the way I use it.
Glock says that for the 1.5" gained in barrel length, you only gain an ounce in weight. With the right holster, it should still be portable.
Yes, having the G40 MOS and G29 10mms in your stable would compliment each other nicely without replication of use.
If you ever change your mind on choice of EDC caliber, the G29 is ready to go.
For *any* outdoor activity that might take you into the boonies, or just for some nice range days shooting targets with handloads, there's the 6.2" G40.
Bren Ten, if I could afford one (just for the coolness factor). But, short of that I chose a Tanfoglio Witness Stock. Capacity, accuracy, reliability and trigger - all excellent! Fit and finish also excellent. The hard-chrome, or whatever they call it is better than stainless as it is very scratch resistant. My Stock is my 2nd favorite gun to shoot, behind my Sig X-Five.
Regarding the Smith 10mm's. I have never tried one, but I do have a 2nd Gen S&W 659. My 659 is rock-solid reliable. However the trigger is significantly less than average for a da/sa trigger. I can't imagine that the Smith 10mm's trigger would be any different. Because of less capacity and the trigger, I chose the Stock 10mm over a Smith 10mm; at the time I could have purchased a Smith 10mm for slightly less than what I paid for the Stock.
Regarding the Smith 10mm's. I have never tried one, but I do have a 2nd Gen S&W 659. My 659 is rock-solid reliable. However the trigger is significantly less than average for a da/sa trigger. I can't imagine that the Smith 10mm's trigger would be any different. Because of less capacity and the trigger, I chose the Stock 10mm over a Smith 10mm; at the time I could have purchased a Smith 10mm for slightly less than what I paid for the Stock.
I briefly handled a buddy's Witness Stock II, chambered in .38 Super but otherwise the same as the 10mm version, and it appeared to be a very nice gun.
Fit and finish were first rate, and if I really wanted a Bren Ten, but didn't want to spend $3000, and didn't think I'd live long enough for Vltor's version to come to market, I'd get a Stock II.
Fit and finish were first rate, and if I really wanted a Bren Ten, but didn't want to spend $3000, and didn't think I'd live long enough for Vltor's version to come to market, I'd get a Stock II.
Someone above asked about G20 vs G29 and, while I own both, I find I seldom choose to fire the G20 and definitely prefer shooting the G29. It's very difficult to explain why in any meaningful way--it may be I happen to have a mushier trigger on the 20 and that influences the overall feel, or that I prefer the sights on the 29 over the stock white outlines that I have on the 20. Overall, the 20 feels big and clunky (clunkier). In fact, the only reason I bought it was to use with the MechTech carbine--which at the time I thought was just the coolest toy to have.
Also, I didn't read the OP scenario as carefully as I should have, and I assumed "for carry" was part of the question--which it was not. So, my 'only one gun' choice is heavily biased toward the fact I choose 10mm as my No.1 choice for edc, and so I want a firearm that compliments the cartridge for that purpose.
If all I cared about was a range toy or a hunting pistol, then my first choice is the Tanfo Witness Hunter. Why? Because as far as I know there is no other double-stack all-steel 6" "very 1911-like" production pistol available with the workmanship, fit, finish and feel for under $1300. Unfortunately, I don't believe they're imported any longer, and the gun is not without certain challenges. Seems to me a Caspian-framed double-stack custom in 10mm would be ideal--but would exceed my willingness to reach that far dollar-wise.
Also, I didn't read the OP scenario as carefully as I should have, and I assumed "for carry" was part of the question--which it was not. So, my 'only one gun' choice is heavily biased toward the fact I choose 10mm as my No.1 choice for edc, and so I want a firearm that compliments the cartridge for that purpose.
If all I cared about was a range toy or a hunting pistol, then my first choice is the Tanfo Witness Hunter. Why? Because as far as I know there is no other double-stack all-steel 6" "very 1911-like" production pistol available with the workmanship, fit, finish and feel for under $1300. Unfortunately, I don't believe they're imported any longer, and the gun is not without certain challenges. Seems to me a Caspian-framed double-stack custom in 10mm would be ideal--but would exceed my willingness to reach that far dollar-wise.
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All this talk about 10mm prompted me to dust off my little used G29. I haven't shot it in a good number of years; so long that I really had forgotten what it feels like to shoot 10mm.
Rounds fired were from stock I bought a good 8 years ago or so. Hornady 180 gr. XTP and Winchester 175 gr Silvertip.
Both breathed some fire from the 3.77" KKM barrel, but the Winchester really kicked up the potency after firing the XTPs. The box advertised velocity on the 180 gr XPT I have is 1180 fps. If that's accurate, then I'd say it felt like the Silvertip was over 1200, perhaps 1220 fps as a rough guess. A relatively potent round that lets you (and nearby range shooters) know that 10mm is being fired. I can imagine that the Underwood loads really demand your attention!
I find the Talon rubber grip wrap really improves the feel of the gun, increases the grip hold, and seems to even give a hint of cushioning in spite of being so thin. After putting them on all my carry guns, the hard plastic of the stock Glock grip really feels lacking.
Personally (living near a major metro area and not having any large four legged threats to contend with) I don't see 10mm being a good fit for every day carry - for me.
I'm not convinced that the performance as a defense caliber is commensurately better given the increase in recoil and longer return to target time. For me, doing a quick mozambique or just a fast double tap with great consistency in accuracy is not at all easy to do with loads like 180 gr XTP and, especially the older 175 gr Silvertip - and that's not even venturing into full-house 10mm land.
I definitely see how those who live near major four-legged dangers, or want to hunt with a pistol, would choose 10mm as an EDC, though. If I were to venture into woods where potential 4-legged threats might be encountered, I would carry my G29 for sure.
It does seem that it would be a good suburban carry caliber if carrying a bit softer load. But then, it probably makes more sense to go with a good .40S&W loading, of which there are many that are very good and also relatively soft shooting.
Rounds fired were from stock I bought a good 8 years ago or so. Hornady 180 gr. XTP and Winchester 175 gr Silvertip.
Both breathed some fire from the 3.77" KKM barrel, but the Winchester really kicked up the potency after firing the XTPs. The box advertised velocity on the 180 gr XPT I have is 1180 fps. If that's accurate, then I'd say it felt like the Silvertip was over 1200, perhaps 1220 fps as a rough guess. A relatively potent round that lets you (and nearby range shooters) know that 10mm is being fired. I can imagine that the Underwood loads really demand your attention!
I find the Talon rubber grip wrap really improves the feel of the gun, increases the grip hold, and seems to even give a hint of cushioning in spite of being so thin. After putting them on all my carry guns, the hard plastic of the stock Glock grip really feels lacking.
Personally (living near a major metro area and not having any large four legged threats to contend with) I don't see 10mm being a good fit for every day carry - for me.
I'm not convinced that the performance as a defense caliber is commensurately better given the increase in recoil and longer return to target time. For me, doing a quick mozambique or just a fast double tap with great consistency in accuracy is not at all easy to do with loads like 180 gr XTP and, especially the older 175 gr Silvertip - and that's not even venturing into full-house 10mm land.
I definitely see how those who live near major four-legged dangers, or want to hunt with a pistol, would choose 10mm as an EDC, though. If I were to venture into woods where potential 4-legged threats might be encountered, I would carry my G29 for sure.
It does seem that it would be a good suburban carry caliber if carrying a bit softer load. But then, it probably makes more sense to go with a good .40S&W loading, of which there are many that are very good and also relatively soft shooting.
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I find that these 10mm handgun discussions really break down into three categories: 1) those that like Glock-type guns will choose the Glock; 2) those that like the 1911 single-stack type guns will advocate for either 1911 style or older S&W 10mm (1911ish, but typically da/sa); and 3) those that like the CZ design go with something in the Tanfoglio line. I don't think there really are any other semi-auto 10mm platforms other than these. Actually, that's quite a selection, do we really need any more 10mm options? Boberg 10mm? Grand Power 10mm perhaps?
First, my reasons for owning a 10mm. Back in mid 2004, I decided I wanted a 10mm to use for a woods gun. I wanted a longer, 6" barrel to produce the highest performance (velocities) I can get from it (that's why I'd carry it). Further, I wanted a polymer semi-auto for it's resistance to the elements. I'd looked at 6" revolvers and they were heavy, bulky, had a high bore axis, and only carried 6rds on board.
There wasn't anything available at that time so I made my own when I developed a 6" Glock 45 and 10mm longslide convertible. Finally, after over a decade, Glock got it together and released a 6" longslide 10, the Glock 40. It would be my choice had I not already owned one for over 11 yrs.
It's a good copy of my custom G20/21L from late 2004, however, it can't be set up to also fire both 45acp and 45 Super like mine is. BTW, my G20L with 17+1 rds of 180grn HP or 200grn hardcast rds on board and ready to go is thinner, lighter, and allows for faster followup shoots than a 6" S&W 686 revolver with only 6rds of 357mag ammo. I handload for both 10mm and 357mag and my 10mm 180grn handloads out of my G20L are larger, heavier and slightly faster than my 158grn hot 357mag handloads out of my 7.5" barreled revolver.
There wasn't anything available at that time so I made my own when I developed a 6" Glock 45 and 10mm longslide convertible. Finally, after over a decade, Glock got it together and released a 6" longslide 10, the Glock 40. It would be my choice had I not already owned one for over 11 yrs.
It's a good copy of my custom G20/21L from late 2004, however, it can't be set up to also fire both 45acp and 45 Super like mine is. BTW, my G20L with 17+1 rds of 180grn HP or 200grn hardcast rds on board and ready to go is thinner, lighter, and allows for faster followup shoots than a 6" S&W 686 revolver with only 6rds of 357mag ammo. I handload for both 10mm and 357mag and my 10mm 180grn handloads out of my G20L are larger, heavier and slightly faster than my 158grn hot 357mag handloads out of my 7.5" barreled revolver.
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