Piers Morgan show getting canceled

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I'd be surprised if anyone here would do something like that. While its true that (at least me anyway) many of us perceive the English as being over-the-top anti gun/knife/sword/stungun or anything where an individual can take responsibility for protecting themselves, it would be wrong to think that we harbor any deep seeded negative feelings toward them.

I appreciate where you're are coming from but to be honest, that was not how the post in question read to me (post 4) in which there were already references made.
The thing is there seem to be many threads on TFL that either start as or degenerate into UK-bashing as if the UK had any influence or responsibility on current US gun policy. The remark I raised was very close to being in that vein to me.
Why members have such views is a puzzle to me, but there you go...

Any ribbing you take as an Englishman over the Revolutionary War by any gun-nut American is far more likely to be in jest.

From some that may be the case, from others I'm not so sure. Let's hope you're right.

Now Piers Morgan bashing on the other hand.... that is no puzzle at all.
 
Did anybody here describe why he suddenly lost his previous job at the BBC in London?

I didn't know he'd worked for the BBC. He did get fired from the Daily Mirror for the fake prisoner abuse photos.
 
My 2 cents; PM....

My 2 cents on the whole matter are that Morgan may have been cut due to the media scandal in the UK. That & his low ratings gave CNN/Time-Warner cause to end his contract early & cut him loose.

Larry King(who was on CNN for over 25 years) wasn't very + about PM when asked about the scandal. :rolleyes:

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From some that may be the case, from others I'm not so sure. Let's hope you're right.

Now Piers Morgan bashing on the other hand.... that is no puzzle at all.

The two English folks that I actually listen to on a regular basis, Simon L. Conway, and Mark Steyn (actually Mark is Canadian, but educated in England and talks with a pseudo-english accent) are very pro-gun, pro-2nd Amendment, and pro capitalism. Also based on personal acquaintances, my perspective is that English folks who reside in the US tend to be quite the opposite of the Piers Morgan character.

Now, I have debated online in an almost exclusive English liberal-oriented forum concerning gun control, and there are some English who seem to resent the fact that Americans have free access to a multitude of firearms which they might be lucky to even find in a museum or a military armory. Then, there are others who simply don't care what us Yanks do as long as we don't try and force our ways on them.

I have encountered some (not many) Americans who genuinely despise the English. The reason for their dislike, when I got to the root of it, had nothing to do with guns, politics, history or anything of the sort. In those couple of instances where I encountered true anti-English sentiment, one instance involved an American employee who reported to an English Boss/Manager; and the other involved an American who worked in the UK for a British company for a period of time. Was it the fact that the Boss(s) was English? I tend to doubt it; if the Boss was Ukrainian I'm sure the sentiment would have been directed toward all Ukrainians.
 
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He appears to have willingly used material from illegally tapped phones as a means of creating copy in England. And not even important stuff, like reporting on government scandal. Piers used it to spread celebrity gossip. Then he became a reality show judge. That's his resume as a journalist. I wish we still had him as the voice of gun control on CNN every night, who do your really think he influenced? I doubt that his replacement will hold more nuanced views on the Second Amendment.
 
The thing is there seem to be many threads on TFL that either start as or degenerate into UK-bashing as if the UK had any influence or responsibility on current US gun policy. The remark I raised was very close to being in that vein to me.
Why members have such views is a puzzle to me, but there you go...

UK-bashing (and particularly the English) has been an American pastime since we were British Colonies. To one degree, or another.

And all the history that has passed since has done nothing to change that. We "bash" everyone, and ourselves the most. We love the English (and really all the UK peoples) as people, but we vigorously disagree with much of their political ideas, and particularly the ones in the forefront in the recent half century or so.

A couple of the reasons things British and gun control together spark so much ire, so easily is the history of the last century, in Britain, and as generally perceived by Americans (those who bother with it, anyway).

As many in the US still see it, Britain has, repeatedly relied on the US to bail them out of tough scrapes (WWI & WW II).

The British disarmed so thoroughly after WW I they were literally begging the US, including US citizens, not just the US govt, to send them guns in 1940. Any guns. Sporting guns, military guns, anything. They were desperate. And with good reason.

We remember this. Imperfectly, but we remember.

In more recent times, England has essentially abolished private firearms ownership, as we see it. Its a wonderful world that they live in.

One of the reasons we get into UK-bashing so easily is that AMERICAN gun control advocates are constantly telling us how we should be more like the UK.

We don't agree with that. We don't like hearing it, but as Americans we accept their right to say it. However, when a foreigner, particularly a rude snobbish Englishman comes here and tells us we should be more like the UK, it creates a rapid backlash. First at the arrogant Englishman, and then at Englishmen, in general (or, at least those who support gun control).

Essentially, the feeling is
"the nerve of that guy (those guys - English), the one's who's butts we had to save, because they got rid of their guns, telling us we have to get rid of our guns!"

Of course, there's lots more to it, I just mention these points for some insight into what some people think.

As for Piers himself, one more bloody talking head we are well rid of. He's a fanatic, and I believe it was Churchill who said "a fanatic is one who cannot change his mind, and will not change the subject". (or something like that)

Good riddance.
 
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That is interesting. I can't speak for others, but I certainly get the impression that Mr. Morgan's views are typical of those who reside in the UK. I'm glad to hear that he's considered a bit "out there", even for the English.
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A good way of looking at it is that when the petition on Whitehouse.org to send him back to the UK was started, a second petition was quickly started by UK residents to say they wouldn't have him back. They were about equal in votes from what I remember.
 
In more recent times, England has essentially abolished private firearms ownership, as we see it. Its a wonderful world that they live in.
That's not correct, any citizen in the UK can get a firearm if they wish. This is a view that I see on this forum , and it is just wrong. If that was the case I wouldn't have a number of firearms in my safe at home.

However, when a foreigner, particularly a rude snobbish Englishman comes here and tells us we should be more like the UK, it creates a rapid backlash. First at the arrogant Englishman, and then at Englishmen, in general (or, at least those who support gun control).
And as I posted earlier we had years of Americans telling us what we should do , and in some cases being apologists for murders, and assisting them by supplying arms and money.
 
Actually, if we set confirmation bias aside, Fox has had more than its share of gaffes and retractions as well. They have a clear political bias, and one that's actually more consistent and evident than CNN.
And that's the reason I watch Fox and ONLY Fox. I am so sick of the liberal bias that has been pounded into my head by the other networks all my life, that once I found Fox-it's ALL I watch. I can't even stand the liberals that present the "fair and balanced" part of Fox. Especially that total idiot Jehmu Greene. As far as Piers Morgan goes? Just as long as he goes.:rolleyes:
 
His anti gun attitude turned me off, so I did not watch.

I found it galling that a British subject was given a national news program to manipulate American public opinion. I suspect the British would also be upset if an American had a regular commentary on the BBC, telling the UK television audience just how bad their NHS is, and how Scotland really ought to be independent. At least the Scots would be watching.
 
Manta49, is it possible that Northern Ireland has different gun laws than England? I also didn't think that if you were from England that you could own and keep handguns in your home safe....or, perhaps that is an incorrect assumption?
 
Manta49, is it possible that Northern Ireland has different gun laws than England? I also didn't think that if you were from England that you could own and keep handguns in your home safe....or, perhaps that is an incorrect assumption?
In England you can have black powder pistols, in N Ireland you can have any handgun. Apart from that the firearms laws are similar. But other types of firearms can be owned. Its the view that civilians can't get firearms in the UK that's incorrect. As for Morgan I hear he likes America that much that he is staying there. :)
 
Its the view that civilians can't get firearms in the UK that's incorrect

Are you limited to the number of firearms you can have at one time?

As for Morgan I hear he likes America that much that he is staying there

Is there anything we could do to get him to change his mind so you can have him back? :p
 
Are you limited to the number of firearms you can have at one time?

There is no set limit. I know guys that have 10 or more handguns plus other types of firearms. They are more difficult to get than I America, but as I said any civilian can get one if the want.

Example bellow.

One 51-year-old male owns 109 firearms – including an ex-PSNI Personal Protection Weapon. The conditions for his use include target shooting, sound moderator, collector and sporting purposes.
Each firearm certificate holder has conditions listed on their licence
 
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We frequently get English tourists in the shop and they always stand a gawk at the firearms on the walls.
They never seem disapproving, quite the opposite, they are fascinated and end up photographing each other posing with an AR15 among many other firearms.
Never once has an Englishman asked me what I need that for.
 
They [Fox] have a clear political bias, and one that's actually more consistent and evident than CNN.

Interesting how OPINIONS vary! In any case, pleased to see PM riding off into the sunset. On the other hand, I'd rather see him ride off in the direction of the sunrise.
 
In England you can have black powder pistols, in N Ireland you can have any handgun.

That's a huge difference right there. Just curious, in England, does that include black-powder semi-autos? Or are we talking cap and ball only? In any event, I didn't realize folks in Northern Ireland can own modern handguns.
 
I'll let Manta address the BP question, but I can say that in mainland UK you can have bolt rifles both RF and CF, shoguns (not pump and semis limited to 3 cartridge capacity) and you can buy long barrel pistols. These must have a barrel length of 30 cm or more and be 60 cm or more in length. The latter means they usually have a silly grip extension. If a semi these can only be .22LR, but if a revolver they can be CF.

So I could buy that S&W performance centre .460 with a 14" barrel an muzzle break, provided it had the grip extension for overall length. This is to make carrying a gun concealed much harder.

Single shot pistols are also possible so I would not be surprised if Contenders were around too.
 
My wife is English. Been married to her for 30 years. She's isn't naturalized, but is thinking about it. She has 7 brothers and sisters in England. None of them are really anti-gun at all. Most don't see the need to have any, but some do. From their explanation, there is so much red tape to cut through and so many requirements to keep a firearm at home, it's just not worth it. One sister in law has a couple of shotguns registered. They can only keep them if they have a confirmed place to shoot them (friends land/farm, etc). I have a nephew that loves WW1 and WW2 rifles. He can only collect them if they were made non-serviceable. Last year, 6 relatives came to the USA for my daughter's wedding. I took them all shooting black powder and conventional guns/rifles and they had a great time. For some it was the first time they ever fired a gun. Piers Morgan is not the norm there.
 
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