Piers Morgan show getting canceled
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Bill O'Reilly's stance on guns:
O’Reilly told viewers that gun control wil “not stop crazy people from committing murder,” but acknowledged that the government has an obligation to push for laws that do not infringe upon the rights of law-abiding citizens. He said he has no problem with background checks and gun restrictions, but such things should be left up to individual states to decide. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-oreilly-gun-control-will-not-stop-dangerous-criminals/
Piers Morgan's stance on guns:
And that is that the Second Amendment has been hijacked, in my view, by the NRA
Well, sorry, we're going to touch some of your guns because that's what a humane society does," Morgan ranted. "It says, these assault rifles are killing Americans. There's no reason for them. We're going to take them off the street."
It's[the 2nd Amendment] not about these killing machines and nor is it about magazines, as in the case of the shooter, Holmes, in Aurora, that can have a hundred bullets.
What the NRA did in the '80s is, they hijacked it [2nd Amendment] and put huge political pressure on it until eventually the Supreme Court ruled a few years ago that, actually, it meant an individual's right to bear arms -- which it was never intended to be by any close examination of the history of the Second Amendment wording.
What I don't think there's any legitimacy for is assault weapons.
Piers Morgans rants go on and on and on, to where he finally cried to Larry Pratt "you're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you" while Mr. Pratt was trying to answer Mr. Morgan's questions.
The bottom line: I don't like Bill O'Reilly's position on guns either, However O'Reilly and Morgan aren't even on the same wavelength when it comes to guns. It's disingenuous to compare Morgan to O'Reilly and say they are equally as bad when it comes to anti-gun nuttiness. Morgan is a crazed gun banning lunatic.
O’Reilly told viewers that gun control wil “not stop crazy people from committing murder,” but acknowledged that the government has an obligation to push for laws that do not infringe upon the rights of law-abiding citizens. He said he has no problem with background checks and gun restrictions, but such things should be left up to individual states to decide. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-oreilly-gun-control-will-not-stop-dangerous-criminals/
Piers Morgan's stance on guns:
And that is that the Second Amendment has been hijacked, in my view, by the NRA
Well, sorry, we're going to touch some of your guns because that's what a humane society does," Morgan ranted. "It says, these assault rifles are killing Americans. There's no reason for them. We're going to take them off the street."
It's[the 2nd Amendment] not about these killing machines and nor is it about magazines, as in the case of the shooter, Holmes, in Aurora, that can have a hundred bullets.
What the NRA did in the '80s is, they hijacked it [2nd Amendment] and put huge political pressure on it until eventually the Supreme Court ruled a few years ago that, actually, it meant an individual's right to bear arms -- which it was never intended to be by any close examination of the history of the Second Amendment wording.
What I don't think there's any legitimacy for is assault weapons.
Piers Morgans rants go on and on and on, to where he finally cried to Larry Pratt "you're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you" while Mr. Pratt was trying to answer Mr. Morgan's questions.
The bottom line: I don't like Bill O'Reilly's position on guns either, However O'Reilly and Morgan aren't even on the same wavelength when it comes to guns. It's disingenuous to compare Morgan to O'Reilly and say they are equally as bad when it comes to anti-gun nuttiness. Morgan is a crazed gun banning lunatic.
Fox, news/media, etc....
My point(s) are;
Fox(FNC) has been & is mostly pro conservative & pro-gun. That's not entirely a bad thing, per se, but I wouldn't watch the programs-reporters & think it's "fair" or "balanced". Sometimes they allow opposing views or guests but it's normally those who either no one knows of or aren't credible.
I'd agree too that being popular doesn't been it's always well researched or detailed.
Journalists today don't get "facts" or "details", they get "news" or "reports", then they wait for more information to filter in.
Even local media reporters & broadcasters do it.
Last year, 2013, one local newscaster(who has since left & went back to Seattle WA) said on-air that he had "no idea" automatic weapons could be legal with certain federal permits,
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Clyde
PS; It's not all bad, the same news crew had the chief meteorologist remark how he "owned several guns" during the newscast banter.
My point(s) are;
Fox(FNC) has been & is mostly pro conservative & pro-gun. That's not entirely a bad thing, per se, but I wouldn't watch the programs-reporters & think it's "fair" or "balanced". Sometimes they allow opposing views or guests but it's normally those who either no one knows of or aren't credible.
I'd agree too that being popular doesn't been it's always well researched or detailed.
Journalists today don't get "facts" or "details", they get "news" or "reports", then they wait for more information to filter in.
Even local media reporters & broadcasters do it.
Last year, 2013, one local newscaster(who has since left & went back to Seattle WA) said on-air that he had "no idea" automatic weapons could be legal with certain federal permits,
. Clyde
PS; It's not all bad, the same news crew had the chief meteorologist remark how he "owned several guns" during the newscast banter.
Pond James Pond
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If someone were to change that nationality to, say, Nigerian, you'd probably be branded a racist, yet you feel comfortable saying the above... interesting.
And before you make some reference to colonial this and that, just remember that I am pretty sure the US was happy to have input from British forces in the two wars we've been fighting over the last decade or so.
Can't have it both ways.
The fact is Piers Morgan's personality is pretty starved of charisma and he's been thriving on the same recipe as he did as the chief editor of the rag he pedaled as a newspaper in the UK: controversy and antagonism.
Now viewers have finally got bored of the controversy and antagonism and have been left with his personality to keep them interested. His nationality shouldn't have anything to do with it.
His interview style was non-existant. People simply watched to see him shout at people, talk over them and change the question or go to commercials when the "prey" raised a valid point that he didn't like.
Now that I think about it, he is not dissimilar to that O'Reilly character.
Obviously Mr. Morgan lost his job because of bad ratings not his stance on the Second Amendment. Now, while his anti-gun agenda may have hurt him a little I suspect it had more to do with his arrogant style.
Also, don’t think for a moment that the anti-gun agenda has suffered at this network. I’ve personally seen other anchors such as Costello and Lemmon engage in just as many misrepresentations and outright lies as Mr. Morgan.
At the end of the day let’s celebrate the elimination of a pompous foot soldier, but really that’s all it was the war goes on.
Also, don’t think for a moment that the anti-gun agenda has suffered at this network. I’ve personally seen other anchors such as Costello and Lemmon engage in just as many misrepresentations and outright lies as Mr. Morgan.
At the end of the day let’s celebrate the elimination of a pompous foot soldier, but really that’s all it was the war goes on.
madmo44mag
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Oh come on guys you know you loved to hate him.
That's more than a bit disingenuous. No, I wouldn't want a Nigerian lecturing me about stricter gun control laws. I wouldn't want a Latvian or a Swede or an Egyptian to do so, either.
I'm not going to go to Russia or Japan and tell them how to run their government. I'd appreciate them giving us the same courtesy.
Pond James Pond
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Firstly, that post I referred to was specifically aimed at a British citizen, no other, with historical references for added bite.
Secondly, I've heard plenty of Americans making their views very clear when telling the rest of the world how to do things. Members of this forum being a case in point when it comes to firearms policy in other countries. Yet turn the tables and it's not allowed. That is a bit disingenuous.
Finally, whatever happened to freedom of speech? So even if you work and live in America you are not accorded that right because you are not American?
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Actually, we(as Americans) already did. We told them how their government would be set up, what role religion would play in government,what role the emperor would play and then we rewrote their history so they could teach the kids not to hate us for screwing up their country.
I and many Japanese I have spoken to believe we probably did more good than bad, but if we were to really pay attention to the voices inside Japan, we probably need to support them in taking more control over their own internal and external issues.
Related to the English. . . .I'm sure there are some very wise pro-gun English. . . .BUT, IME Brits are generally happy not to have guns and see themselves above defending themselves. . .to the point that they are willing to accept some/much collateral damage for this decision.
As to others. . .I find Canadians much the same, except they like the idea of having limited access to bolt action rifles for using in the bush for hunting.
So, Piers does have an audience, just not here. We(Americans), unlike many others, enjoy a multicultural existence which openly supports intra-cultural discontent. We seem to think that all the cultures which hate each other throughout the world can all come here and live next door to one another just overcome by freedom and they will never go back to their old way of killing people who did not share their worldview. Somehow we expect them to all just hold hands, have a Coke and a smile. How's that working in your town?
As I posted earlier I have no time for Morgan, but most are not happy because he is from the UK preaching his views to Americans. That's understandable , I listened to views from Americans preaching their views on the part of the UK where I live. Some supported violence here collected money for terrorist groups and supplied arms that killed UK citizens, So Americans having to listen Morgan talking rubbish, about their country, maybe a taste of their own medicine.
I'd be surprised if anyone here would do something like that. While its true that (at least me anyway) many of us perceive the English as being over-the-top anti gun/knife/sword/stungun or anything where an individual can take responsibility for protecting themselves, it would be wrong to think that we harbor any deep seeded negative feelings toward them. Most gun buffs are also fairly astute when it comes to matters of history and war, and I tend to think we are fairly well educated and informed about the ally Britain has been to the US. Any ribbing you take as an Englishman over the Revolutionary War by any gun-nut American is far more likely to be in jest.
As far as my interest in Piers Morgan goes, I can tell you that I have had none until today. I've never watched him on CNN, never watch CNN, and only know of him through what has been blogged about him from time to time on the internet. What makes today different is that even Zuckerberg couldn't stand him any longer....or someone can't stand Zuckerberg's ratings any longer.
The pastor at one of my former churches is British. (I'm pretty sure he flew in the RAF) Once on the Sunday nearest Independence Day, he wore a bright red blazer. At the end of the service when I shook his hand I mentioned "That's a lovely *redcoat* you have there." It made his day that somebody got the joke.
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Lord Pierce, you stand accused of abuse of your right to free speech as demonstrated
by your consistently antagonistic tirads, arrogance, and extreme hubris that are only eclipsed by
your seething contempt for the American way of life. How do you plead?
I obje......
SILENCE
The Jury has already spoken!
Hit the road Jack and don't come back
no more no more no more......
To the people of the British Isles.....
Return to Sender, maybe you can beat some sense into him. This is your second chance. Please get it right this time.
We are far from perfect. However, lots of people from all over the world still keep coming here.
by your consistently antagonistic tirads, arrogance, and extreme hubris that are only eclipsed by
your seething contempt for the American way of life. How do you plead?
I obje......
SILENCE
The Jury has already spoken!
Hit the road Jack and don't come back
no more no more no more......
To the people of the British Isles.....
Return to Sender, maybe you can beat some sense into him. This is your second chance. Please get it right this time.
We are far from perfect. However, lots of people from all over the world still keep coming here.
Microgunner
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Piers never bothered me much. There's always going to be an opposing view to every position on a subject and all views will elect their mouth pieces, some more successful than others.
I believe Piers may have done us a favor by presenting such an outrageous attack that even like minded viewers couldn't buy into the rhetoric.
I believe Piers may have done us a favor by presenting such an outrageous attack that even like minded viewers couldn't buy into the rhetoric.
Politics....
In 2009, I was let go from my security position & worked for a few months in a low end night-club. One patron, a young guy in a drunken stupor told me how he liked US politics & political issues. I asked the intrepid young lad who his elected representatives were(Sen, rep, AG, governor, etc). He did not know.
Many people are like the young club goer, they get amped up & shout at the TV but don't really know the substance of the debate or who exactly does what.
TV hosts/broadcasters like PM exploit this trait often to their benefit/agenda.
In 2009, I was let go from my security position & worked for a few months in a low end night-club. One patron, a young guy in a drunken stupor told me how he liked US politics & political issues. I asked the intrepid young lad who his elected representatives were(Sen, rep, AG, governor, etc). He did not know.
Many people are like the young club goer, they get amped up & shout at the TV but don't really know the substance of the debate or who exactly does what.
TV hosts/broadcasters like PM exploit this trait often to their benefit/agenda.
Ignition Override
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Did anybody here describe why he suddenly lost his previous job at the BBC in London?
He supposedly fabricated a story which said that some British soldiers in Afghanistan murdered unarmed civilians, or such.
The BBC bosses learned the truth and Piers was escorted out of their headquarters the next day.
Correct me, as I'm trying to remember what was reported months ago on THR.
Must go now...time to put some Hilco Lube (solvent used by our military) and Hoppe's #9 into the SKS.
He supposedly fabricated a story which said that some British soldiers in Afghanistan murdered unarmed civilians, or such.
The BBC bosses learned the truth and Piers was escorted out of their headquarters the next day.
Correct me, as I'm trying to remember what was reported months ago on THR.
Must go now...time to put some Hilco Lube (solvent used by our military) and Hoppe's #9 into the SKS.
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