OK Teenager Kills Intruder

The police support the lady in her shooting of the perp. If others, besides the perp who accompanied the late perp, were directly or indirectly involved in this attack they will be charged.

On 3 January the DA released the 911 tape. The DA stated its unlikely the lady will face any charges. In OK the DA is not required to take a righteous shooting case to the grand jury.

http://www.koco.com/r-video/30129050/detail.html
 
We are not held to any standard of "innocent until proven guilty".
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True -- during the fact
We're not a judge and jury.
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But that is how we are now acting, after the fact.

Obviously I grew up in a different world.
And even though I come down on the side of the lady's actions during the fact, after the fact I want to hear from the other side before deciding further actions
 
"Judge" in the legal sense of the word. We make "judgements" every day based on all sorts of incomplete scenarios.

I'd want to hear "from the other side before deciding further actions" too... but I'm not deciding further actions. I'm discussing a situation in which I am not involved and have no influence.

As such, whether or not I or you have an opinion or believe the dead guy or the living girl, it's nothing more than idle conversation with no impact on any one any where.
 
For those doubting this lady and her story, please find me ONE credible source that has any proof of the anonymous internet rumors circulating such as that these creeps were agents of the landlord, or that she planted the knife etc.

The more evidence released, the more her story is corroborated. If the 911 tapes are not evidence, golly gee whiz, don't ever call 911 for anything in the future or the internet kangaroo court will have you convicted and sentenced in no time at all.

Hopefully the landlord will make a statement soon disavowing these creeps. I am sure that the cops have already taken his statement on this issue.

I suspect that that there is a real reason why the cops are continuing to call this a "premeditated home invasion." The other man remains in jail, the DA is not seeking charges against this lady.

Perhaps learning how to read into the events that we know about so far should give folks a clue. This was a planned, cruel, terroristic home invasion. Any other interpretation from the evidence confirmed to date is just wild off based speculation.
 
Hopefully the landlord will make a statement soon disavowing these creeps.
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I, too, would like to hear that.
The other man remains in jail,
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I await the public defender's explanation from the accused side as well.





... aaaaah, what then heck.
Let's just hang him and be done w/ it
 
mehavey, no, I didn't directly or exactly quote you. Notice I used no quotation marks nor quotation function, and did not represent it as a quote.

What I wrote was what you call a "leap of logic," but what I call an "inference" based on the post you specifically quoted, and also your earlier post where you flatly said that there was more to this than just a simple home invasion.

Combine those two posts, and it sure reads like you find something fishy in all this. So, if I misread you, mea culpa. But that's how you came across to me, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly how you came across to others who have responded to you.

What amazes me, though, is that there is a 911 recording of the events, and having listened to them, the police and the DA are still backing the woman - yet anonymous posters at the news station keep making conspiracy type claims. The recorded call plus police/prosecutorial response would indicate to me that the surviving defendant may have his work cut out for him. That his defense attorney is not yet playing damage control (for instance, making comments about "trial by media," or "waiting until all the facts are in") also implies bad things for him.
 
Dear MLeake, I suspect a plea bargain will be in the works quite soon since there is no suspician officially against this young lady and much suspician against these two coupled with much evidence already. According to most states, if a person dies in a criminal act, felony, that you participated, you can be charged with the murder of that person as well. There is much more at risk for the second accomplice than just breaking and entering or home invasion.

I simply ignore all of this unfounded anonymous internet chatter and am quite surprised that anyone is giving that a second thought.
 
One interesting phenomena is something I've noted in a couple of shootings where self-defense was alleged now - friends of both the shooter and shootee take to the Internet to make allegations, claim the news got it wrong, slander each other, threaten each other, etc.

I think it fairly likely that in the future, you can expect to have the friends, family and associates of the person shot in a self-defense case to be offering their take on the event in the comments of the news story. One more angle of the post-shooting aftermath to think about and plan for.
 
When capital crimes & lives are involved -- both that of victim & accused -- I tend to take care that a rush to judgement is not based on a single side's story and the hearsay of others. (Too many courts martial in my background I guess.)

Were I the DA, I would not consider charges against the young lady either at this point. But I would certainly like to get the backstory of all that preceded this affair as it appears there is extensive history -- not to mention the strange element of fully 20 minutes of knocking at the door prior to the shooting.

- What communication was going back & forth during that time?
- What (if anything) did the 911 operator hear upon actual break-in?
 
Why on earth would the landlord respond to - well, what, exactly? Anonymous comments left on a television news program's web site? Is there one credible suggestion that these two thugs were operating as any landlord's agents, or any indication that the police were even entertaining such a possibility? Maybe the landlord should be monitoring Justin-n-Dustin's Facebook pages to respond to any slanders posted there, too?

Sheesh.

Good shoot, mom; you did Blanchard, Okla. a great service.
 
Yes, knocking on the door with a hammer!!

I will gladly wait for all of the elements to come together with this story, but I could really give a hoot about 3rd party anonymous hearsay. If there is something contradictory in the lady's story, it will come out one of these days. So far, no evidence of that at all. Since this has made national news headlines, I am sure that the sheriffs will make a statement at some point laying out some but not all of the evidence against the alleged accomplice and the man that died.

So far, two dead dogs likely poisoned, a man coming on the property shortly after her husbands death "introducing himself," and then a 20 minute assault againts her trailer trying to gain entrance are all bits of evidence outside of anything but an attempted home invasion.

If there is exculpatory evidence, that will come out. I suspect there won't be much of that any time soon if ever. So far there is a whole lot of inculpatory evidence against these two. The fact that the lady called for police to intervene will not go against her and is in many ways the best evidence that she is a victim in this entire affair. How many people go to the lengths that these creeps went to get inside against her permission. They are the people that have the splainin to do.
 
mehavey said:
I still want to hear what the other party to this event has to say.
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I'd like to hear the story he concocts now that he has had time to think it over and, probably, converse with an attorney. What seems most pertinent is that, directly after the "incident," perp #2 went directly to the police and turned himself in. One does not turn oneself in if one has not perpetrated a crime.

mehavey said:
Obviously I grew up in a different world.
And even though I come down on the side of the lady's actions during the fact, after the fact I want to hear from the other side before deciding further actions
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"Before deciding further actions"? What further actions? We are NOT the jury on this case. The only action we're likely to take might be to decide whether or not to send a check to the young woman to help her out. If you need to hear the fairy tale the second perp creates before making that decision, that's perfectly fine.

I don't need to hear the fairy tale.
 
Perhaps we'd like to just skip the discovery phase and just go straight to the treelimb?

It's obvious he's guilty of something.... not sure exactly what, but anything will do.

Many of the "opinions" expressed here largely remind me of why--though I love to hate lawyers--they're useful to have around to slow down Oxbow incidents.
 
Why are you assigning so much importance to our opinions?

We don't have a "discovery phase". We're not a court. We're not jurors. We don't convict or sentence to hanging or any other penalty.

We are uninvolved members of an internet discussion forum with no influence, good, bad or indifferent, on this case.

We will never have the facts as presented to the jury and our opinions would not be relevent if we did, since we've been "contaminated" by news and discussion of the event.

If we were called to the jury pool we would be dismissed.

We're not carrying pitch forks and torches.

It's a discussion. We have opinions. Some are wrong. Some are not. None have any effect on the case or the guilt or innocence of those involved.
 
Because we are exactly what you say... the citizen jury pool. That we would take comfort (if not pride) in being summarily dismissed from that pool because we care not to listen to evidence even after-the-fact is a telling statement of our sense of responsibility as citizens. Further, we are a very special class of citizen.

Many on this Forum feel themselves to be responsible sheepdogs -- armed sheepdogs -- which requires that responsibility not be abdicated else we play directly into the hands of those who would disarm us.

And don't lose sight of the final consideration:
This is not a closed Forum.
Any one/any thing here can be Googled.
 
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