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OK Teenager Kills Intruder
- Thread starter thallub
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OK woman shoots, kills, intruder
In the video a firearms law attorney states that she was well within her rights to kill the intruder. She called the PD and told them to hurry as they were kicking down the door. At the point the guy kicked it in and entered, she shot him and his accomplice ran off (likely happy he was not the first one through the door).
VIDEO LINK
In the video a firearms law attorney states that she was well within her rights to kill the intruder. She called the PD and told them to hurry as they were kicking down the door. At the point the guy kicked it in and entered, she shot him and his accomplice ran off (likely happy he was not the first one through the door).
VIDEO LINK
There's a lot more to this than simple home invasion.
http://www.newson6.com/story/164272...ho-shot-killed-intruder-recalls-home-invasion
Read all the comments going back & forth on the circumstances and lead-in.
http://www.newson6.com/story/164272...ho-shot-killed-intruder-recalls-home-invasion
Read all the comments going back & forth on the circumstances and lead-in.
I think this is a duplicate of the "Oklahoma Teenager" thread.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=473739
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=473739
Aguila Blanca
Staff
Okay ... I read ALL the comments.mehavey said:There's a lot more to this than simple home invasion.
http://www.newson6.com/story/1642721...-home-invasion
Read all the comments going back & forth on the circumstances and lead-in.
Why is it anything other than a simple home invasion?
youngunz4life
New member
sounds like a pre-meditated home invasion
even more dangerous of a home invasion than some...I don't blame her for not telling the scumbag she had a weapon(that was her one line of defense and he might've countered if he had knowledge).
they probably assumed she had no weapon. the girl was smart. she got the go-ahead to take him out. that's textbook...not to mention they might have schooled her how to have the shotgun ready.
I don't care what was going on. at that moment she had every right to do what she did. I believe this happened in the middle of the night too.
even more dangerous of a home invasion than some...I don't blame her for not telling the scumbag she had a weapon(that was her one line of defense and he might've countered if he had knowledge).
they probably assumed she had no weapon. the girl was smart. she got the go-ahead to take him out. that's textbook...not to mention they might have schooled her how to have the shotgun ready.
I don't care what was going on. at that moment she had every right to do what she did. I believe this happened in the middle of the night too.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
Most home invasions are premeditated. Killing the dogs in advance doesn't make it anything more than a simple home invasion to me.MLeake said:AB, the fact that the police seem to think the dogs may have been killed earlier in the week to soften the target suggests pre-meditation.
Why is it anything other than a simple home invasion?
Because there is now an alternate explanation being put forth that it may well have been a case of an owner sending an agent to enter/reclaim what was thought to be thought a mobile home/trailer under repossession.
`Lotta screaming & yelling swirling around this one... emotions high and a lotta facts yet to come out.
Film at Eleven.....
Yes, some anonymous posters claim that the landlord sent "agents" to break into his property, in the dead of night, using a hammer, and carrying a 12" butcher knife...
And that the mother should have warned them, apparently while she was on an extended call with 911...
If they were in fact landlord's agents, then they were in violation of both the law and of common sense in the way they executed his wishes.
And that the mother should have warned them, apparently while she was on an extended call with 911...
If they were in fact landlord's agents, then they were in violation of both the law and of common sense in the way they executed his wishes.
youngunz4life
New member
I wonder what will happen to the 2nd perp: possibly no weapon + never entered home. it seems that case can go really extreme one way or much less in the other direction depending on what happened. lawyer up because if you show up with your ugly mug and nothing else(in shackles for that matter), you midas well get the canteen acct going early
If the commenters on the news website are to be believed, the accomplice, or assistant agent, did NOT call 911 after his co-conspirator, or lead agent, depending, was shot.
That, if true, would seem to tilt the scales even further to the accomplice/co-conspirator side of the balance than the assistant/lead agent side.
That, if true, would seem to tilt the scales even further to the accomplice/co-conspirator side of the balance than the assistant/lead agent side.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
Yep.MLeake said:If the commenters on the news website are to be believed, the accomplice, or assistant agent, did NOT call 911 after his co-conspirator, or lead agent, depending, was shot.
That, if true, would seem to tilt the scales even further to the accomplice/co-conspirator side of the balance than the assistant/lead agent side.
Unless newer details have changed the sequence, it appears the co-conspirator ran away, called his parents, and then went to the police and turned himself in. This does not bespeak a person who believed he (and his associate) had a legitimate right to be where they were and be doing what they did.
[edit to add]And new details have emerged. Just found an updated story that says the second perp DID call the police, to report that his friend had been shot.
And yet another new tidbit:
The Grady County District Attorney was not available for comment Monday, but McKinley's mother said that Justin Martin actually followed her daughter around at a rodeo about two years ago.
She also said McKinley bumped into him recently at a convenience store. Then he showed up knocking on her door Thursday night, introducing himself as a neighbor. McKinley told her mother she did not know who he was until she pieced it all together after the shooting.
http://www.newson6.com/story/16431516/attorney-blanchard-mother-has-the-right-to-shoot-intruder
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Not sure why folks are saying it was "the middle of the night," when in fact it was in the middle of the afternoon.
Secondly, even if they were in some manner an agent of the landlord, how they approached and forced their way into her house is completely unlawful. I haven't seen any indication that these creeps had anything to do with the landlord, but landlords are NOT allowed to force their way into a rented home without the renters permission. If these two were "sent" by the landlord acting as his agents, then he very well could be facing charges as well.
There is a lawful manner in which to evict people. These two creeps exhibited nothing that appears lawful in any manner. The first creep is dead, the second will be charged with his murder for the crime of breaking and entering. If there is somehow a landlord connection which I doubt from the few news reports I have read, but if he is involved in any manner, he better get a good lawyer as well. I am sure if the land lord is involved, he will disavow these two creeps as quickly as he can.
Another report states that she had an adverse encounter with this creep a couple of years earlier. The dogs are dead making the sounds of a creepy home invasion a mile from the main road in the middle of no where. There is nothing lawful that I see in the actions of these two creeps. If the land lord did send these folks, then once again, he better get a good lawyer quickly.
Secondly, even if they were in some manner an agent of the landlord, how they approached and forced their way into her house is completely unlawful. I haven't seen any indication that these creeps had anything to do with the landlord, but landlords are NOT allowed to force their way into a rented home without the renters permission. If these two were "sent" by the landlord acting as his agents, then he very well could be facing charges as well.
There is a lawful manner in which to evict people. These two creeps exhibited nothing that appears lawful in any manner. The first creep is dead, the second will be charged with his murder for the crime of breaking and entering. If there is somehow a landlord connection which I doubt from the few news reports I have read, but if he is involved in any manner, he better get a good lawyer as well. I am sure if the land lord is involved, he will disavow these two creeps as quickly as he can.
Another report states that she had an adverse encounter with this creep a couple of years earlier. The dogs are dead making the sounds of a creepy home invasion a mile from the main road in the middle of no where. There is nothing lawful that I see in the actions of these two creeps. If the land lord did send these folks, then once again, he better get a good lawyer quickly.
OK states you must give 24 hour notice and allow the tenant to reschedule at least once if the first time schedule does not work for them. If these creeps were there lawfully, why is the second under arrest for breaking and entering.
Nevertheless, the creep entered with a 12 inch knife after terrorizing her for over twenty minutes. Whether he is an alleged agent of the landlord or not, that ain't the way you lawfully enter a property in a professional manner.
Someone coming to my house in such an instance will get acute lead poisoning real quick as well. Not sure why anyone is even bringing this up. That is why most evictions are handled by the police, not private agents of the land lord.
To date, I have not seen an credible source showing any land lord involvement. If someone has a credible link to that part of the story, I would appreciate seeing that.
Nevertheless, the creep entered with a 12 inch knife after terrorizing her for over twenty minutes. Whether he is an alleged agent of the landlord or not, that ain't the way you lawfully enter a property in a professional manner.
Someone coming to my house in such an instance will get acute lead poisoning real quick as well. Not sure why anyone is even bringing this up. That is why most evictions are handled by the police, not private agents of the land lord.
To date, I have not seen an credible source showing any land lord involvement. If someone has a credible link to that part of the story, I would appreciate seeing that.
Living in Oklahoma, I can tell you that the second you enter my home unwanted you are fair game. I don't have to say a word, all I have to do is see you halfway through my door/window and I can empty a mag of whatever I am holding into you and your buddies and not need to worry about legal repercussions.
I looked through some of the comments on some of the OK news stories. Since the police cleared her already, I would assume that they have already reviewed the entire 911 call. With a trailer, it is likely that the actions and shouts from the two creeps is on those tapes. I suspect that when they release the tapes down the road, you will find terrorizing threats were made against this lady, then unlawful forced entry and then a 12 inch knife.
Sounds like a good shoot to me. If this is not a good shoot with a girl on the phone with 911 for 21 MINUTES before the entry, then we are all in danger.
Lastly, people that do the bidding of a land lord are almost universally able to produce a very important item called a house key. People acting as a land lord's agent do not bring hammers and knives to enter a house. Sounds quite fishy to be questioning this shooting with internet rumors from anonymous sources.
I will wait for the real evidence release which hopefully will not be a long time coming. She is to appear on ABC or CBS news tomorrow morning. Hopefully they gather a bit more news and details confirmed by true journalism. Well we can hope anyway. Fox news ran a news story on her today. No mention of anything but criminal charges for the second accomplice. Once again, you enter a tenants building with a legal key, not hammers and knives. If you look at the door, it was busted off of its frame. I have never heard of a land lord busting up his own property. They would have simply left and called the sheriffs dept. if she did lawfully deny them right to entry under OK law. To date, not one credible news outlet with that alleged story.
Sounds like a good shoot to me. If this is not a good shoot with a girl on the phone with 911 for 21 MINUTES before the entry, then we are all in danger.
Lastly, people that do the bidding of a land lord are almost universally able to produce a very important item called a house key. People acting as a land lord's agent do not bring hammers and knives to enter a house. Sounds quite fishy to be questioning this shooting with internet rumors from anonymous sources.
I will wait for the real evidence release which hopefully will not be a long time coming. She is to appear on ABC or CBS news tomorrow morning. Hopefully they gather a bit more news and details confirmed by true journalism. Well we can hope anyway. Fox news ran a news story on her today. No mention of anything but criminal charges for the second accomplice. Once again, you enter a tenants building with a legal key, not hammers and knives. If you look at the door, it was busted off of its frame. I have never heard of a land lord busting up his own property. They would have simply left and called the sheriffs dept. if she did lawfully deny them right to entry under OK law. To date, not one credible news outlet with that alleged story.