Non-Minuteman charged with holding 7 Mexicans at gunpoint

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Sorry. NO way! I see illegals as enemy combatants, fifth columnists, economic terrorists, a drain on our government coffers and I feel all illegals should be treated with the same respect as any other terrorist. We are a nation at war. Any invasion is an act of aggression.
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So, are you going to shoot illegals on sight from now on?
 
from my understanding of the topic article, no one was killed, simply detained and (hopefully) returned to their country of origin. until the next try at least.

a 'casualty' doesn't necessarily imply death.

Does that justify attacking US economic assets?
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in reality, it just depends on which side of the fence you are on. apparently someone feels justified, or they would not be doing it.
 
Sorry. NO way! I see illegals as enemy combatants, fifth columnists, economic terrorists, a drain on our government coffers and I feel all illegals should be treated with the same respect as any other terrorist. We are a nation at war. Any invasion is an act of aggression.
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So, what are you planning on doing about it? Other than bloviating here, I mean. You aren't the only one in the thread who I'd like to have answer that question either. Based on what you've said above, if you aren't out there gunning those "enemy combatants, fifth columnists [and] economic terrorists" down, you are either:
a. just doing a lot of pointless chest-thumping and d*ck-waving from safety and comfort at your keyboard
b. insufficiently courageous to act on what you claim to believe

Either way, folks who talk as much smack as what has been talked in this thread needs to put up or shut up.
 
Redhawk41,

Sure, I understand that no one was killed, but drawing a gun is deadly force. And I would hope that we all agree terrorists are fair game for lethal force.

I see your point about being on different sides of the fence. I realize that some people feel it's justified, but I think they are wrong. The results of justifying killing based on economic "terrorism" speak for themselves, IMO.
 
but I think they are wrong
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which is, i'm sure, their opinion of your opinion.

And I would hope that we all agree terrorists are fair game for lethal force
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so what about the guy that consideres illegal immigrant invaders from mexico as 'terrorists'? Like Mr Haab for example.
 
Redhawk41,

They do think we're wrong, but opinions aren't the end of every moral question. Look at what the other side of this issue does: Bomb a workplace killing 3000 people, and then go around beheading folks on television because they don't want them working in Iraq.

My answer to people like Sir William is: Illegals are not nearly the same as terrorists. If you need to modify your idea of terrorism so that it's not justified for you to shoot any terrorist you can catch, then you're including people that you recognize are not of the same ilk as Bin Laden.
 
so what you are saying is that the only definition of 'terrorist' that is valid in this discussion is your own? and that your opinion is on the 'correct' side of the moral question?

Mr Haab was somehow incorrect in his assertion that illegal immigrants are 'terrorists', because his definition of 'terrorist' is not your definition of 'terrorist', therefore his definition of 'terrorist' is not morally correct?
 
Redhawk41,

Yes, that is what I'm saying. It is wrong to classify illegal immigrant workers as terrorists, because the same reasoning would justify the killing of thousands of Americans on their ways to work.

It's not because I say so. It's because broadening the definition of terrorist like this justifies absurd results.
 
The fact that people are willing to stop a truck should be a wake up call for our government. The fact that the Sgt. told another guy, a stranger at that, to hold them at gunpoint while he called the police should be another huge wake up call for our government, that people are fed up and going to take action into their own hands if the government wont!
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Yep.
 
I used to live in Arizona. I have witnessed the economic terrorism of illegal immigration. The rest of the state has had enough. California welcomes illegals with welfare and driving licenses. Not Arizona. I am retired and living in a lower cost of living area by need. If I were still in Arizona, I would be with the MMP. I have a house restoration underway and I don't have the funds to travel or the time for the MMP. I do strongly believe that all illegals should be treated equally. The US government is holding arabic/muslim suspected terrorists without charges. Why should Mexican nationals ILLEGALLY in the US, be treated any differently? All I am suggesting is equality.
 
The US government is holding arabic/muslim suspected terrorists without charges.
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People are not sent to Guantanamo for illegal immigration. Neither are people detained as terrorists only on the basis of illegal immigraiton. Terrorism and illegal immigration are two totally separate, and unrelated crimes. If you are a terrorist, you need not even leave your own country to end up detained by the US.

I agree, they should all be treated equally. If you are an illegal immigrant with no ties to terrorism, say, from Russia or Canada, the US government won't shoot you, and it will punish people who threaten you with deadly force for no other reason than the fact that you are a suspected illegal immigrant.
 
Interesting that you bring Russians into the topic. I have picked up a few legal Russian immigrants at the airport. They brought an educated mind, a skill or trade, a desire for freedom and a complete wish to become a US citizen. Welcomed and appreciated. The illegal Mexican invader/national brings nothing in terms of education, a skill of being able to mow yards and rake rocks, no trade, a desire for getting what they can illegally and no wish to be a legal citizen. They bring the Mexican flag, their allegiance to the homeland and demands for spanish language, culture and a US driving license, even though they cannot read, write or speak english. The Mexican illegal invaders/nationals then want jobs, benefits and medical care. I simply think that they should get all that. In Mexico. Legal immigrants from ANY nation are willing to play by our rules of society, obey our laws and desire to be US citizens by legal means. They are welcomed and appreciated. Illegals from anywhere are criminals, economic terrorists and undesirables. Bar the borders, seek out illegals, capture illegals and deport illegals. If we deported ONLY the illegals imprisoned for criminal acts in California, the state could breathe easier financially.
 
Wallew - I doubt any of us have had your specific experiences, or anybody else's for that matter. I hope you realize that pointing a gun at somebody while driving, especially if they are acting as recklessly as you say, is very dangerous and will put you in the jackpot if there are witnesses. Why not swallow your pride and report the S$B to the police? Heck, put a VCR on your dash and make trouble for those jerks that way, you'd be doing all of us a favour. Are you bluffing with the gun or are you ready to start shooting away on the highway with little regard to background (collateral damage to people being possible) and accuracy over traffic follies? You sound like you are looking to hurt somebody, please calm down and consider the harm that could come to yourself, not just others. Anyway, take care.
 
Redhawk41,

No more and no less than what other people in his jurisdiction have received for a similar offense involving the threat of deadly force.
 
shootinstudent,

what punishment would you impose on the illegal immigrants that were apprehended based on Mr Haab's actions?
 
I agree with citizens arrest but you have to be ready to take the consequences if you are wrong.
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Exactly, but HE WASN'T WRONG!!! He was right! The article says they were undocumented (i.e. illegal) immigrants! Therefore the citizen's arrest was LAWFUL, and he shouldn't be charged with a damn thing. This is outrageous. Yes you do most certainly bear the risk of being wrong when you make a citizen's arrest, and you pay the consequences if you are wrong. But if you're RIGHT - as he was here - then that's a free pass. Here, he had a hunch, and he was right - he should be given a medal, not charged with a crime!
 
FirstFreedom,

You can't draw your gun on people for any crime you see. That's illegal. Not even police can start waiving guns around without good cause.
 
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