I'm not disputing that but to make the comparison as if they were both facing the same situation is asinine.
You've missed the point completely here. I said that the Hispanics can be distinguished from most other immigrant groups since they are seeking economic gain, and are not fleeing oppression and starvation as did many other groups. Did you even read the post?
And, it should be noted, you're the one making the assumption that all immigrant groups have faced essentially the same obstacles. You seem to think that the Hispanics somehow deserve to utilize governmental benefits today since, with your apparently extremely limited grasp of American history, you think that such welfare benefits were available to immigrants back in the 1840s. Recall your "Prove it" remark when I reminded you that Welfare wasn't around in the 1840's.
That's not true at all. How can you claim that the poverty in Ireland was worse than the poverty in Mexico today?
You've missed the point again. I was illustrating the point that the Hispanic illegals in the US today are economic migrants, not people fleeing oppression or starvation as were, for example, the Irish. And go back and actually read the post now. You'll notice that I specifically contrasted the Irish of the 1840's with the Mexicans of the 1840's in order to illustrate the extreme poverty they lived in.
Hey, if they had the money to get on a boat guess they weren't that poor.
My God what an ignorant comment. Three million people starved to death in Ireland, or died from associated diseases, because they DIDN'T have the money for passage to the US. Entire Irish families starved for lack of money to get on the coffin ships, or starved in order to give money so that a few could leave for America. The death rate on the coffin ships was comperable to that of the slave ships bringing African slaves to America. Big joke to you is it? Sick.
Yet it doesn't change the fact that there are still illegal Irish immigrants here.
You've managed to miss the point again. Let me repeat it for you. 10-20 thousand Irish illegals are in no way comparable 18-24 MILLION Mexican illegals in terms of the damage they are doing to this country.
Wait wait...you think it's somehow an argument to compare the number of institutions founded by legal Irish immigrants to the number of ones founded by illegal Mexican ones?
Well, what a shock, you're missing the point once again. I mentioned the hospitals, colleges, and orphanages founded by the Irish immigrants in the 1800's as examples of the self-help they provided to one another because such things as welfare, food stamps, WIC, etc. were not available to them in the 1840's, as they are to the Mexican illegal’s who fraudulently obtain them in large numbers today. (This paragraph is 4 lines long, did you make it through all of them?
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Hey, I can claim to have a hundred Mexican friends that want to be American as much as the Irish on the internet. It's too bad little anecdotes don't mean jack squat.
Shrill accusations of racism and now of lying, wow, what a superlative debate technique.
Well, no, you did when you accused me of being a racist for opposing illegal immigration. I haven't said anything regarding race in this thread except to point that the term Hispanic describes an ethnic group made up of many races.
No, you said much more than that. You lumped the entire group into one by making comparisons between Irish immigrants and Mexican immigrants.
Again, you're not making much sense here. You raised the issue of the Irish illegals here in the US and implied that there is nothing wrong with 18-34 MILLION Hispanics being here illegally since there are 10-20 thousand Irish illegals. The whole point of my post was to point out that
They're paying sales taxes, they're paying property taxes, they're even paying income taxes in many cases yet unable to draw many of the benefits.
How racist of you to lump all illegals together as you have.
They are breaking the law by being in the US illegally. The minor amount of taxes they pay does not even begin to offset the cost of providing services to them. Most estimates show that the average US family pays an additional $2000 in taxes to cover the costs of providing services to illegals.
There are plenty of things having a detrimental effect on the quality of life in this country and Mexicans are barely a drop in the bucket.
Tell that to the thousands of American families that have lost members to auto accidents caused by uninsured illegals. And again, are you even dimly aware of what you don't seem to know about the illegal alien prison population in the US? They make up approx. 40% of those incarcerated for serious and violent crimes. This is a drop in the bucket?
Welfare, AFDC, WIC and Food Stamp programs are not widely available to illegals.
You owe me a new monitor and keyboard, I spewed my coffee when I read that whopper. The extent of fraudulent obtaining of Welfare and other benefits by illegals today is breathtaking.
I want people to obey immigration laws as well,
No, you don't, that obvious.
but your initial post making the comparison - and throwing down the race card yourself:
Again, you’re the only one in this thread who has stooped to that sort of shrill name calling.
Remember this comment you made:
"What's racist is you lumping in all of the immigrants into a single group...
It was about implying that it's ok to celebrate St Patrick's Day because Irish immigrants are good but not ok to celebrate Cinco de Mayo because Mexican immigrants are bad.
Again, just another weak straw man argument on you part. I never made any comment about Cinco de Mayo. We were discussing the national allegiances of legal vs. illegal immigrants.
Overall, you seem to have an extremely limited grasp of the subjects necessary to discuss immigration policy intelligently. You lack knowledge of American history (e.g., asking me to prove that welfare wasn't available in the 1840's
), demographics (e.g., you equate 10-20 thousand illegal Irish with 18-34 MILLION Mexican illegals, e.g., you consider the terms "Irish" and "Hispanic" to somehow describe a race
), and crime statistics (e.g., you seem blissfully unaware of the extent of the crime problem caused by illegal aliens in the US, "Drop in the bucket" you said.
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Your default position is a shrill accusation of racism coupled with a mindless gainsaying of any point presented.
